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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    Well its both actually. And Collins is elite at both of them.
    Collins, in respect to the NBA, is not "elite" at anything. Much like I said to oscar when he was talking about blocking shots and playing defense when defending...someone whose ELITE at making people pay when they come to the basket and/or afraid generally aren't the last person on the bench. They are people playing significant minutes as a starter or routine rotational guy.

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    as I pointed out, people simply talking about something doesn't lend it significance.
    As I pointed out, there are no logical reasons to actively seek out a discussion about a topic that one does not care for.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Collins, in respect to the NBA, is not "elite" at anything. Much like I said to oscar when he was talking about blocking shots and playing defense when defending...someone whose ELITE at making people pay when they come to the basket and/or afraid generally aren't the last person on the bench. They are people playing significant minutes as a starter or routine rotational guy.
    He was very good at what he did, and bad at just about everything else. Synergy did consistently rank him as a top 5 defensive center in the league, so I would say that's elite. It did not make up for his faults in other areas enough for him to be an everyday starter or top bench player.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Pseudo-events are not the "topic of national conversation", they are entertaining tidbits that get a laugh around the watercooler. This is not a psuedo-event.
    And it seems like you're moving the goal posts. You first define things as "huge deals" if they are a "topic of national conversation". Then when someone rightly points out that there are a large number of things that become the "topic of national conversation" that one could make a case are absolutely not "huge deals" you back track. Regardless of whether you feel this is or is not a pseudo-event, someone called you out on your asinine logic and you back peddle as if THAT person is wrong.

    You want to expand upon your definition and change your earlier statements then that's your right...but don't change the goal posts and act like you're the superior one when someone calls you on it.

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I don't think you can speak for him.
    Of course not, the book he published on the subject, sitting on my desk, does

    that's your problem. you thought you coulod figure out what would undermine my claim. You clearly cannot do this, since what you cited does not do this.
    Tucker, you made assertions, I pointed out there were problems with those assertions supporting your larger claim


    Why would that matter?
    because you wrote "I see that you have taken all of your understanding of what it is like to be a gay person in America". If you're questioning my ability to speak on the topic because I am not gay, one would hope that you are gay, since you are speaking on the topic, as well.

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and no one has said there isn't. but guys like him are not a rare breed. that makes his chances at getting picked up at 34 a lot less likely.

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    1. In the world of professional sports...he is a "nobody". until this announcement relatively few people outside of his immediate circle of coaches and fans even knew who he was.

    2. look at his stats. he is a good player and better than 99% of the population but by comparison to other NBA players, he is terrible
    Still denigrating his stats I see.....and you still can't explain why this is significant.

    Hint: His stats are irrelevant to his coming out.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

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    He was very good at what he did, and bad at just about everything else. Synergy did consistently rank him as a top 5 defensive center in the league, so I would say that's elite. It did not make up for his faults in other areas enough for him to be an everyday starter or top bench player.
    all of which makes him useful in only a very limited capacity. which is why, IMESHO, the chances of him being picked up next season were slim.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    As I pointed out, there are no logical reasons to actively seek out a discussion about a topic that one does not care for.
    right, individuals might talk about kim K's vag, and they might even view it as significant (for no other reason than they need material for their spank bank). But that doesn't lend any real or credible significance to the thing, as we are using the terms *here*. Which is something of importance beyond mere gossip and jack material.

    Basically, you're trying to equivocate

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Still denigrating his stats I see.....and you still can't explain why this is significant.

    Hint: His stats are irrelevant to his coming out.
    they are only relevent in the context that, his coming out is not as big of a "landscape altering" event as it would have been had it been a more well known, or younger, or better player who had done so.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    all of which makes him useful in only a very limited capacity. which is why, IMESHO, the chances of him being picked up next season were slim.
    It's a limited role, but it's one most teams have a need for, and he's one of the best at it. It's why I think he would've been picked up next season.
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