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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

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    Why do you think Collins, Johan Petro, Desagana Diop, Nazr Mohammad, Ronny Turiaf, Joel Anthony, Joel Pryzbilla, and Kurt Thomas have all managed to sustain consistent careers in the NBA into their 30s if they have no value.
    who said they have no value?
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Motive means a lot.
    And what, exactly, is his motive. I do not want baseless speculation, I want facts. Baseless speculation is not rational conversation, it's idiotic gibberish. Seeing as your desire is for rational conversation, tell me his motives and then prove them to be so.

    Please try to stick to rational conversation. You psycho fantasies have no place in this discussion.
    In a world where this kind of thing:

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    Exists, the only fantasy that exists is a delusional belief that someone cannot be killed for being gay.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

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    And they didn't resign him because they acquired Johan Petro last offseason from the Nets who fills the same role.
    exactly. there are dozens of big, no-name "role players" you can send in off the bench at the end of a game to foul people. Why sign a 34 y/o free agent when guys like him are a dime a dozen? If he was such a valuable "role player" he wouldn't have bounced from team to team to team to team any time someone better became available.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

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    who said they have no value?
    Well they all have similar roles to Jason Collins. You might not have said no value, but you have said he's a nobody and a terrible player. Yet he and players like him continue to get contracts. There is a role for these people in the NBA.

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    two weeks ago he was an aging nobody with no contract and a slim chance to get picked up by another team
    he is a terrible player
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

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    And what, exactly, is his motive. I do not want baseless speculation, I want facts. Baseless speculation is not rational conversation, it's idiotic gibberish. Seeing as your desire is for rational conversation, tell me his motives and then prove them to be so.



    In a world where this kind of thing:

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    Exists, the only fantasy that exists is a delusional belief that someone cannot be killed for being gay.
    You have just as many facts as I do.

    You are free to speculate on why he did as much as I do.

    Are you blind to what has happened over the past couple of days? The guy is on a magazine cover and the White House is talking about him. This has become a topic of national conversation and you are free to think it is a huge deal when it is not.

    If you find out it was a publicity stunt are you going to come back here and comment on it? Motive is very important.

    You cite the existance of these three people as a danger to all gay people.

    Are you serious?????

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    exactly. there are dozens of big, no-name "role players" you can send in off the bench at the end of a game to foul people. Why sign a 34 y/o free agent when guys like him are a dime a dozen? If he was such a valuable "role player" he wouldn't have bounced from team to team to team to team any time someone better became available.
    Dozens is overstating it. I think Collins is a cut above the rest of them, as seen by the fact he has continued his career into his mid-thirties.

    For the Hawks' situation specifically, Petro isn't really better, but he was necessary to take from the Nets in order to trade away Joe Johnson.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    exactly. there are dozens of big, no-name "role players" you can send in off the bench at the end of a game to foul people. Why sign a 34 y/o free agent when guys like him are a dime a dozen? If he was such a valuable "role player" he wouldn't have bounced from team to team to team to team any time someone better became available.
    And again, no one claimed he is a superstar......but this "circumstance" is significant because....?
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    Don't know, I'd rather have a big guy at the end of the bench who can actually play defense and block shots without racking up fouls..but whatever.
    If you have a big man that can do that he's probably not the last guy on your or anyone elses bench

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    You have just as many facts as I do.
    Let's discuss them.


    You are free to speculate on why he did as much as I do.
    I thought you were interested in rational conversation? Why would you want to engage in irrational speculation if that is your goal?

    The guy is on a magazine cover and the White House is talking about him. This has become a topic of national conversation and you are free to think it is a huge deal when it is not.
    See, again you take a steaming **** on rational conversation by saying "when it was not". Not only is that thoroughly irrational, it's contradicted in the very sentence it is contained in.

    Let's look at the facts: Things that become a topic of national conversation are, by their very nature, a huge deal. Things which are not a huge deal do NOT become a topic of national conversation.

    That's an objective observation. By any rational standard, this is, indeed, a huge deal.

    So your response to this is to deny reality and claim it is NOT a huge deal, despite teh overwhelming evidence to the contrary.


    And then you have the unabashed audacity to try and lecture other people about rational conversation? That's just plain delusional.

    If you find out it was a publicity stunt are you going to come back here and comment on it?
    Publicity stunt? What the **** are you making up now?


    You cite the existance of these three people as a danger to all gay people.
    Holy ****, you think Westboro is just three people? And you asked me if I was blind?

    But here's a newsflash: only one person who is an anti-gay psychopath needs to exist in order to prove for a fact that there was no "fantasy" involved in my socratic question.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    exactly. there are dozens of big, no-name "role players" you can send in off the bench at the end of a game to foul people. Why sign a 34 y/o free agent when guys like him are a dime a dozen? If he was such a valuable "role player" he wouldn't have bounced from team to team to team to team any time someone better became available.
    You're also simplifying their role too much. It isn't just to foul people. I could foul Dwight Howard at the end of the game, but it isn't going to make him afraid to attack the basket on the next possession. Collins and others play a type of aggressive defense to make them hesitant to go up against them. It's why Collins was so successful at stopping Howard in the playoffs two years ago.
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