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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

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    point being....they don't pay professional athletes to be "good teammates". How many coaches/managers do you think sit around discussing trades and say "You know what we really need? A guy who is a good teammate"
    End of the bench guys, or guys down as your 50th man on the roster in football...yeah "a good teammate" is a quality you're looking for. Someone who will do the job his particular role calls for, do it without complaint or problem, and provide an asset to the team.

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

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    so you're telling me the '85 Celtics would've traded away Bill Walton or Robert Parrish before going into the playoff?
    If they desperately needed backcourt help the way the 2013 Celtics did they probably should've traded away Bill Walton for a player of Crawford's caliber. Obviously not Parish.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Oh, and I don't know if some in the thread don't watch the NBA....but having a big guy at the end of your bench that racks up fouls, especially at the end of games, but doesn't give up "and 1's" while doing it is a somewhat valuable spot.

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think the point of that is saying "if he HAD something to risk", not if he is put at risk. Meaning, if he were a Michael Jordan and coming out could cost him everything, it would be more believable that he was coming out as an act to raise and encourage acceptance of homosexual athletes. But because he's pretty much straddling the fence of being cut out of the league due to not being that great of a player, using this card seems more suspect and could be that he's trying to drum up publicity and support in a way that would help him continue his NBA career when his skill alone would be insufficient.
    So the argument is that his decision to come out is not important because he is not the greatest basketball player EVAH and it doesn't matter because he will not be destitute for coming out.....if this had made him a martyr then it would be significant, but since he is alive...meh.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Conviction and integrity.
    So the only way you'll be happy is if he goes back in time to 2001 and announces he is gay then? Or should he just remain quiet and leave it to the next guy to come out, assuming that the "next guy" has enough to lose for your liking?

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Oh, and I don't know if some in the thread don't watch the NBA....but having a big guy at the end of your bench that racks up fouls, especially at the end of games, but doesn't give up "and 1's" while doing it is a somewhat valuable spot.
    Don't know, I'd rather have a big guy at the end of the bench who can actually play defense and block shots without racking up fouls..but whatever.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    So the argument is that his decision to come out is not important because he is not the greatest basketball player EVAH and it doesn't matter because he will not be destitute for coming out.....if this had made him a martyr then it would be significant, but since he is alive...meh.
    no, the arguement is that this isn't as monumental an event as many would have us believe due to the circumstances surrounding his "coming out"
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    Don't know, I'd rather have a big guy at the end of the bench who can actually play defense and block shots without racking up fouls..but whatever.
    In other words, you still don't understand what a "role player" is.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    Don't know, I'd rather have a big guy at the end of the bench who can actually play defense and block shots without racking up fouls..but whatever.
    There aren't any guys at the end of the bench who can play the necessarily aggressive defense without picking up fouls.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    no, the arguement is that this isn't as monumental an event as many would have us believe due to the circumstances surrounding his "coming out"
    I just described the "circumstances".

    You don't understand that either.
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