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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    he's probably referring to the fact that he was dishonest with his fiancé and mislead her for 7 years (which he cited earlier)

    But of course it's easier to toss out the PC juju
    No, that's the excuse he is using for the purposes of this context.

    Hicup has been very clear about his feelings on homosexuality in the past. My assessment is not based on this thread, but his entire body of work over the course of hundreds of posts on the topic.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    you are accusing everyone who criticises his career of being a homophobe.
    No, I am noting that the only reason to criticize his career in this context is if one is a homophobe seeking to denigrate him.

    Quite a different thing to those of us who are actually capable of comprehending what we read.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    you are accusing everyone who criticises his career of being a homophobe.

    Which is ironic since Collins is the very definition of what constitutes real homophobia. Glad he's over his spell, but forgive me if I'm not rushing to his side for his sudden revelations.

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Who gives a **** about the impact it will have on his career? It shouldn't have any impact on his career.
    well, a big part of the story is the impact it will have on his career. hence people started discussing his career. For you, such a cause and effect seems to prove homophobia because they thought he had a lackluster career.

    Yet, oddly, you can't argue he did not. Which is why the argument, again, rings hollow and supports the idea proposed earlier that assessments of his career will be more defined by accusations and fears of homophobia, than his actual playing



    Only a ****ing idiot would think that I was trying to defend his career.
    well, I am unsure how else to describe you actions here, which amounted to responding to criticism of his career (that you seemingly can't address) by calling people homophobic.

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Do you have any empathy for his girlfriend of SEVEN years?
    Of course I do. And the only way of avoiding another woman form enduring the same experience is to make certain that no person feels that they have to hide their sexuality from the world. If we lived in a more accepting world, where ignorant people devoid of empathy didn't latch on to any excuse to call a homosexual a "scumbag" or attack them in some way, there would be nobody who endures what she endured.

    But go on with your bad empathizing self by making damned sure that more people end up like her. It's sure to work.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The first active player form any of the big four American team sports.
    well...technically, he is not an "active player". his contract with the Wizards ended with the season, so he is currently an unsigned free agent. but let's not let details derail a good media hype.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    No, that's the excuse he is using for the purposes of this context.
    No, he clearly cited it earlier

    see http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061752372

    Hicup has been very clear about his feelings on homosexuality in the past. My assessment is not based on this thread, but his entire body of work over the course of hundreds of posts on the topic.
    he may be a homophobic, but that doesn't make everything he says about the guy homophobic. I suggest looking up the genetic fallacy

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    No, I am noting that the only reason to criticize his career in this context is if one is a homophobe seeking to denigrate him.
    like I said...anyone who criticises him is a homophobe. their support for gays regarding marriage, military service, etc counts for nothing.

    Quite a different thing to those of us who are actually capable of comprehending what we read.

    yes, those of you who are capable of comprehending only what you want to see in what you read....
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    well, a big part of the story is the impact it will have on his career. hence people started discussing his career.
    Ah, you seem to have missed the thread. In the third post a person who has admitted to having no interest in basketball and has demonstrated distinct homophobic behaviors in teh past decided to speculate about his career.

    Try reading the thread before responding. It helps.

    Yet, oddly, you can't argue he did not. Which is why the argument, again, rings hollow
    I can't argue something I have no reason to argue, no. Why is that confusing you? Oh yeah, beacause you have made up a new reality and pretended it was true. Silly me.





    well, I am unsure how else to describe you actions here
    Accurately would be the first step. To do that, you would have to make an effort to understand, which would require knowledge, which would require NOT inventing **** and pretending it was true.

    which amounted to responding to criticism of his career (that you seemingly can't address) by calling people homophobic.
    Again, don't make things up in order to pretend you comprehended what you read. That's where you keep ****ing up.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    No, I am noting that the only reason to criticize his career in this context is if one is a homophobe seeking to denigrate him.
    Yes, if you continue to ignore the impact it will have on his career is a big aspect of the story, even in the media

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