Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp
1.) reality disagrees with you. Nothing new? nah only players, owners, coaches, ex players, other sports players presidents ex presidents and movie stars all tweeting and face booking etc etc their approval and telling the player they are proud of him.
yep that happens all the time, nothing new at all LMAO
LMAO, numbers? Testimonials are all fine and good, less you are claiming and effect above baseline; then you need to demonstrate the effect above baseline
As I have already said, I understand the testimonials and would full expect them in a system which has both champions and dissenters.
again REALITY anf facts prove you wrong, if you disagree just provide an example when this happened to another active NBA player that came out?
The guy's the first, yes? So obviously that was a retarded question. Numbers? You make claims, can you demonstrate the claims?
2.) see answer one, the articles prove you wrong unless you have an example of this happening to some other NAB player before for coming out. Reality trumps you again LMAO
LMAO, already handled. LMAO. Testimonials do not statistics make. Please make with the numbers. Of course in a system where there were ALREADY supporters, the supporters would come out and support. Sorta what they do. Doesn't mean that they had CHANGED THEIR MINDS BECAUSE OF THIS MAN'S ACTIONS. That's the contention, and what you cannot, will not show. Now if you had numbers that had measurement of acceptance before and after the announcement....maybe then we could proceed. Got those numbers? LMAO.
3.) there you go again MAKING STUFF UP and arguing things nobody said, this type of dishonesty will never work on me or honest posters. Can you point where I said it isnt easier NOW than the 70S????
THe facts being discussed is IMPACT, your strawman loses and you fail again LMAO
....It's like reason and logic are toxic to you. I didn't say you did, don't make crap up. But you posted ex-players saying how it was such a big deal for him to come forward and in their day they couldn't. Well of course in their day (assuming they aren't from the future) it was harder. Duh! Now it's easier, in the future it will be even still easier. You seem to be missing the real point here in order to make your lame attacks and stupid arguments which continually prove nothing. Don't claim that attacks against your arguments are attacks against you. Jesus.
Fact remains impact exists nothing changed
4.)HHAHAHAHA here comes more emotional temper tantrums. ANother made up failed argument that doesnt change the fact it had an impact. But please feel freee to argue all the meaningless angry feelings you have and i will continue to point out the facts that it had an impact. Are all the players, coaches, articles, owners, president of the sport lying????? :lamo
They could be, perhaps just to avoid a media spectacular. I don't know them well enough to really comment. But again, personal testimonial is not statistics. Produce the numbers, otherwise assuming broad changes in dynamic off of selected published testimonial is.....assumption.
didnt call you a liar i said you lied which you 100% did in fact lie :shrug:
Which is calling me a liar. Is this how far down the rabbit hole you're going. Also, nothing I have written thus far has been a lie.
I have zero assumptions im going by the people in the league that said so, but feel freet to tell them they are wrong and all liars :laughat: you fail again
No, you've taken a few published testimonials and holding onto them like gospel. What you haven't done is provided ANY numbers, stats, analysis to back your point. I'm not saying their wrong, I'm sure it was a brave thing, I'm sure back in the day it was harder. What I am not sure about, and skeptical about, is the overall influence and impact this is going to have on sports and on society in general.
5.) nice try ive been saying the impact is factual and you said it wasnt, wow another lie and back pedal LMAO it wont work dude. like ive been saying the impact is factual. The rest that you want to make up that YOU THINK i am saying based on your biased emotion is a completely failure because its your ASSUMPTIONS and nothin else. Meaningless exaggeration to deflect but the fact still remains it is a factual impact and the league says so, so does reality.
No lie, no back peddling. LMAO. If the impact is factual, you have the numbers to show it. If not, then you don't. So the ball is in your court. Factual impact, yes? You keep saying it over and over again. So PROVE IT.
sorry this bothers you but this has impacted the NBA, period.
Has it? How many more gay people have come out since his announcement? What percentage turnaround in opinion has occurred? Factual, yes? Factual is measurable. Where's the measurement? That's all I'm asking for, been asking for nothing more this entire time. Factual means real, real has impact that can be measured. Show me the measurement.
the proof is the league and people in it and whats happening, you lose.
Have the rules changed? Has admittance changed? Have more people come out and declared themselves gay? Has there been an appreciable increase in acceptance?