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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Why is it bigotry? What is it about finding two men engaged in a lip lock disgusting, is bigoted? The thought of two men having anal sex causing other men to wince at that thought is now bigoted? Really? I know the narrative is to paint everyone a bigot that doesn't openly show love for the queer men, but lets be honest here, even people who seem indifferent on the subject wince at that visual. I would think that those that do not, are the weird one's, not the reverse.


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    You don't even recognize your own bigotry.

    I would find two men engaged in a liplock to be disgusting as well, but I would find two hot girls making out to be the opposite. And neither has anything to do with my acceptance of them as people. A morbidly obese heterosexual couple kissing it up might make me want to hurl, and if I were forced to imagine them doing the nasty, I might need to hurl. But none of that has anything go do with bigotry. Bigotry is when a person is denied the same general treatment and common decency accorded to others based on your feelings about what you imagine them doing in private.

    It's not surprising that gays are are becoming more accepted because it seems that even the most bigoted people learn compassion when they learn that a son or daughter or niece or nephew is gay, and as it becomes less socially crippling, more gay people are making their orientation known, so more people are learning this compassion.

    It's just a shame that this is what is required for some people to understand that gay people are just people.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    As I said earlier, I'm simply reporting on the problem. Not that I believe your comment for a second.
    Reporting on what problem? Big egos and small men? Men who are failures as people do feel better when they pretend that everyone is out to look at their penises. Yet the sad reality is that they are compensating for something. What it is? Pretty much everything which gays on average tend to have a lot of - education, money, better social skills.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Reporting on what problem? Big egos and small men? Men who are failures as people do feel better when they pretend that everyone is out to look at their penises. Yet the sad reality is that they are compensating for something. What it is? Pretty much everything which gays on average tend to have a lot of - education, money, better social skills.
    Yeah..whatever.

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Reporting on what problem? Big egos and small men? Men who are failures as people do feel better when they pretend that everyone is out to look at their penises. Yet the sad reality is that they are compensating for something. What it is? Pretty much everything which gays on average tend to have a lot of - education, money, better social skills.
    What utter nonsense. So you've created a connection between male on male anal and oral sex with education and social skills?

    What world do you people live in?

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    I'd be willing to bet that his teammates already knew he is gay.
    Coming from a person who follows this team very closely - as a matter of fact, they didn't.

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of

    Kind of fascinated by all comments going something along the lines of an ambivalent "who cares." Yeah, if nobody truly cared then homosexuals would not be ostracized in the world of sports or society at large.

    "Who cares" in this case is just code for "living in my straight, hetero-normative privileged bubble, I lack the perspective to appreciate the extraordinary courage it took for him to come out and I think he is just another gay attention whore blah blah. I'm white, straight, and not in the NBA i deserve celebration too waaaah"
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    This is matter of comfort about changing around gay men, not really a matter of acceptance of being gay.
    Most locker rooms these days do not have communal showers and offer plenty of opportunites for privacy for anyone who feels uncomfortable changing around other people. I always find it humorous that people would have no problem getting naked around closeted gay people but all of a sudden feel extremely uncomfortable changing around an openly gay person. Ignorance is bliss, I guess for some people.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Kind of fascinated by all comments going something along the lines of an ambivalent "who cares." Yeah, if nobody truly cared then homosexuals would not be ostracized in the world of sports or society at large.

    "Who cares" in this case is just code for "living in my straight, hetero-normative privileged bubble, I lack the perspective to appreciate the extraordinary courage it took for him to come out and I think he is just another gay attention whore blah blah. I'm white, straight, and not in the NBA i deserve celebration too waaaah"
    qtf

    I've had that feeling all day, SB.

    "So what?" What do they mean so what? We just went through the repeal of DADT and it was hugely debated. It's no different in the world of male sports. It seemed very disingenuous to me.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Most locker rooms these days do not have communal showers and offer plenty of opportunites for privacy for anyone who feels uncomfortable changing around other people. I always find it humorous that people would have no problem getting naked around closeted gay people but all of a sudden feel extremely uncomfortable changing around an openly gay person. Ignorance is bliss, I guess for some people.
    I don't know how some people walk outside. Those "gays" are out there trying to undress me with their eyes. If I bend over to pick up a quarter, I know they will rape me.

    Oh ya, just a sterotype. You are right Disney.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Most locker rooms these days do not have communal showers and offer plenty of opportunites for privacy for anyone who feels uncomfortable changing around other people. I always find it humorous that people would have no problem getting naked around closeted gay people but all of a sudden feel extremely uncomfortable changing around an openly gay person. Ignorance is bliss, I guess for some people.

    As much as I would like coed showers, I respect that most women would not like undressing in front of men.

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