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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    FFS..Collins coming out....is "coercion"
    No, but the movement is already guilty of using government force against people.


    I don't think that is true, I believe your personal feeling are directly reflected when you favor sexual orientation discrimination in hiring, an illegal activity.
    I favor the right of private property owners being allowed to control their property and make decision on it. If they don't want to hire gay people that is their choice. You may not like it and I might agree with you on that much, but that is as far as it goes.

    Oh, no, I understand that this is a classic contradiction within libertarian ideology, a conflict between a business and personal rights.
    There is no contradiction. You have no right to not be discriminated against when dealing with private business owners. If they don't want to do business with you that is their choice and you have no right to force them to anything against their will. That is involuntary servitude and a violation of their rights.

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Y! SPORTS




    Why NBA center Jason Collins is coming out now
    NBA player Jason Collins says he is gay - The Magazine - SI.com




    awesome! Many people arent so lucky

    Kobe Bryant, Bill Clinton, David Stern and others support Jason Collins
    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/kobe-bryant-bill-clinton-david-stern-others-support-163319934.html










    Very brave, VERY BRAVE

    glad to see he has some support too!

    and where was the support by Bill Clinton, sports in general when Robbie Rogers came out? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/29/sp...anted=all&_r=0
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    given how many people try to make it to the pros, and given what the average American will earn in a lifetime, I pretty much can say, without any doubt, this man has had a productive career and has earned more than 99% of all people his age so far. whether his self outing will hurt him or help him remains to be seen. There have been other sports stars where it was an open secret that they were gay. The Book BALL FOUR explored that though didn't name names. It was rumored for years that perhaps the greatest catcher in ML history-Johnny Bench-was gay and in Cincinnati, that rumor has been around for almost 40 years and was fueled by people I know swearing it was true including a guy who owned a pizza joint who swore Bench used to hit on one of his waiters.

    who knows, hasn't really hurt Bench's status in this town
    Brian Scalabrine is perhaps the worst basketball player ever that played for eleven years and found his way on two teams that made their way to the Finals. By your definition this guy would have had a productive career. I don't happen to find anything productive about his career though.

    Oh and yes, he was on the 2002 New Jersey Nets team. Go figure.

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Guys please let us stop this bickering about his skills. The guy is gay and insulting his ball handling is not going to help him very much in that area.

    I can't stop, i think i really need some professional help.
    Actually he almost never touches balls. He's a master at riding the pine, though.

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, but the movement is already guilty of using government force against people.
    You mean after "people" were discriminating?




    I favor the right of private property owners being allowed to control their property and make decision on it. If they don't want to hire gay people that is their choice. You may not like it and I might agree with you on that much, but that is as far as it goes.
    No, it goes further than that, on one level I don't think that is where it stops with you and on another level, it is illegal under fed and state laws.



    There is no contradiction. You have no right to not be discriminated against when dealing with private business owners. If they don't want to do business with you that is their choice and you have no right to force them to anything against their will. That is involuntary servitude and a violation of their rights.
    No, it is very much against the law for a business to discriminate on hiring based on sexual orientation, race, religion....

    And yes, the conflict within libertarianism is in full display here, you call yourself a libertarian yet a true libertarian would say that no one should be discriminated against, especially when it come to their ability to earn an income. It is in conflict with the free market economic ideas that business should be free to do anything it wishes.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Brian Scalabrine is perhaps the worst basketball player ever that played for eleven years and found his way on two teams that made their way to the Finals. By your definition this guy would have had a productive career. I don't happen to find anything productive about his career though.

    Oh and yes, he was on the 2002 New Jersey Nets team. Go figure.
    have you a guess at what the average career in the NBA lasts?



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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You mean after "people" were discriminating?
    You mean be unwilling to do business with gays. Yes.


    No, it goes further than that, on one level I don't think that is where it stops with you and on another level, it is illegal under fed and state laws.
    Ah..so you're calling me a bigot. It's one of those situations where you can't prove that I am a bigot and I can't prove that I'm not. Yeah, I might as well just leave that hanging.

    No, it is very much against the law for a business to discriminate on hiring based on sexual orientation, race, religion....
    So? The laws are also in violation of the 1st and 13th amendment.

    And yes, the conflict within libertarianism is in full display here, you call yourself a libertarian yet a true libertarian would say that no one should be discriminated against, especially when it come to their ability to earn an income. It is in conflict with the free market economic ideas that business should be free to do anything it wishes.
    Nope..I didn't understand that.

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    yeah, he was ranking somewhere between Anderson cooper and Sir Elton John

    just lol @ that x-mas pic

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    have you a guess at what the average career in the NBA lasts?
    Five years. Why?

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Five years. Why?
    well if you have a career twice as long, I would argue that is productive

    what has he made so far?



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