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    Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

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    (Reuters) - Tens of millions of U.S. dollars in cash were delivered by the CIA in suitcases, backpacks and plastic shopping bags to the office of Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai for more than a decade, according to the New York Times, citing current and former advisers to the Afghan leader.

    The so-called "ghost money" was meant to buy influence for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) but instead fuelled corruption and empowered warlords, undermining Washington's exit strategy from Afghanistan, the newspaper quoted U.S. officials as saying.

    "The biggest source of corruption in Afghanistan", one American official said, "was the United States."
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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    Kind of 'old news' for the cynical amongst us, but it's good to see NYT print a random true and accurate story.

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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

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    Yup. Millions of dollars of cold hard American cash have disappeared out of thin air--and still remain unaccounted for--but to the partisans and uninformed, it's so much more fun whining about American welfare recipients!
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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Yup. Millions of dollars of cold hard American cash have disappeared out of thin air--and still remain unaccounted for--but to the partisans and uninformed, it's so much more fun whining about American welfare recipients!
    There is no reason why both can be done efficiently and easily.

    All you have to do is borrow the money or print it.

    Welfare payments can go to Americans, those living in Afghanistan, the Middle East, or dozens of other countries. Why not? You aren't one of those right wing extremists who are against welfare, are you?

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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    The Karzai-centric strategy pursued under both the Bush and Obama Administrations has been more akin to a disaster than a success. Karzai has been an erratic and unreliable leader. He is a big reason why Afghanistan remains at risk of conflict and substantial strife once the U.S. largely withdraws in 2014.

    In that context, these money transfers are not surprising. IMO, Congress should close the kind of legal loopholes that make such money transfers possible.

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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The Karzai-centric strategy pursued under both the Bush and Obama Administrations has been more akin to a disaster than a success. Karzai has been an erratic and unreliable leader. He is a big reason why Afghanistan remains at risk of conflict and substantial strife once the U.S. largely withdraws in 2014.

    In that context, these money transfers are not surprising. IMO, Congress should close the kind of legal loopholes that make such money transfers possible.
    What should be of concern is the naivete that Karzai, or others like him, would remain loyal if he was paid enough money. His loyalty will always be to the strongest horse, and money isn't always the deciding factor.

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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
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    This is one of these cases where NATO involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq looks a lot like British involvement in the princely states of India and puppet monarchies that we tended to support in places like Iran and Afghanistan in the early 20th and 19th centuries in that we encourage as week and corrupt (if no less repressive and cruel) a system of government as long as it suits our interests (the old cliche being the we corrupted the corrupt). This gave us both someone to do our dirty work for us and a degree of plausible deniability. If you look at the amount of journalists and political activists killed or imprisoned in both Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as the long term political paralysis in the case of the latter which allowed foreign companies to do more or less whatever they wanted (For instance Blackwater stuck around even after being ordered out of the country).

    Clearly this is also evidence that our claim to be on a civilizing mission must be taken no more seriously now than it should have been then. Clearly we have military and economic influence over these regimes but it hasn't been used to bring about the outcome that we were supposedly there to create. In both cases a look at ulterior motivations would prove more useful.

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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    That the CIA even has "ghost money" is enough reason to ****can the agency and start over. It's been a rogue agency since the beginning.

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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Yup. Millions of dollars of cold hard American cash have disappeared out of thin air--and still remain unaccounted for--but to the partisans and uninformed, it's so much more fun whining about American welfare recipients!
    Right, because cold hard American cash disappearing is only bad when under certain circumstances?

    Prior to your post, no one defended giving this ass-clown getting millions in American greenbacks, yet you posted the, "holy-crap-look-at-the-Right-Wing-partisan-hacks", post anyway.

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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The Karzai-centric strategy pursued under both the Bush and Obama Administrations has been more akin to a disaster than a success. Karzai has been an erratic and unreliable leader. He is a big reason why Afghanistan remains at risk of conflict and substantial strife once the U.S. largely withdraws in 2014.

    In that context, these money transfers are not surprising. IMO, Congress should close the kind of legal loopholes that make such money transfers possible.
    Yeah, the Taliban did SUCH a great job! Look how they took the millions of, "hard cold American cash", from Clinton. Awesome!!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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