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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

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    [url=http://news.yahoo.com/millions-cia-ghost-money-paid-afghan-presidents-office-020006835.html]Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York



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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, the Taliban did SUCH a great job! Look how they took the millions of, "hard cold American cash", from Clinton. Awesome!!!!
    I am not backing the Taliban. As I have stated in the past, the U.S. should have worked to develop a government built around the country's tribal leaders with a weaker central government tasked with truly national issues consistent with Afghanistan's historical and structural realities. The suboptimal outcome in Afghanistan is, in large part, the result of a framework that is inconsistent with those realities.

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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    it's way past time to get out of Afghanistan.

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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I am not backing the Taliban. As I have stated in the past, the U.S. should have worked to develop a government built around the country's tribal leaders with a weaker central government tasked with truly national issues consistent with Afghanistan's historical and structural realities. The suboptimal outcome in Afghanistan is, in large part, the result of a framework that is inconsistent with those realities.
    The tribal leaders weren't getting along.
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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The tribal leaders weren't getting along.
    They were not in a civil war or anything close to it. A framework that would have yielded sufficient authority with a weaker central government would have been feasible. Moreover, the northern tribes who played an instrumental role in the war should have been given a role commensurate with their contributions. They weren't. The end result will be a country that is not fully stable, lacks perceived legitimacy among a signficant part of Afghanistan's population and therefore faces a continuing risk of insurgency, and is not a reliable American partner once the U.S. largely withdraws in 2014. That outcome will not be the result of largely uncontrollable factors. The Taliban will have played some role, but the choices that were made in building/supporting the Karzai regime will also have played an important part. The U.S. had a chance to shift course during President Obama's first strategic review and had received repeated warnings from Amb. Eikenberry about the nature of Karzai's regime. It chose to pass up that opportunity.

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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    They were not in a civil war or anything close to it. A framework that would have yielded sufficient authority with a weaker central government would have been feasible. Moreover, the northern tribes who played an instrumental role in the war should have been given a role commensurate with their contributions. They weren't. The end result will be a country that is not fully stable, lacks perceived legitimacy among a signficant part of Afghanistan's population and therefore faces a continuing risk of insurgency, and is not a reliable American partner once the U.S. largely withdraws in 2014. That outcome will not be the result of largely uncontrollable factors. The Taliban will have played some role, but the choices that were made in building/supporting the Karzai regime will also have played an important part. The U.S. had a chance to shift course during President Obama's first strategic review and had received repeated warnings from Amb. Eikenberry about the nature of Karzai's regime. It chose to pass up that opportunity.
    I don't think one can overlook or minimize the "Opium" money. When we invaded Afghanistan the country was producing 290 tons of opium annually and now that we have been in charge for ten years Afghanistan is producing aboout 9000 tons of opium annually. That's an industry that we have obviously encouraged to thrive in Afghanistan. Perhaps we are not such a desirable overseer as our overlords like to imply. Corrupt and crooked at every level and we breed the same virtues or lack thereof into our surrogates, becausse it's good for somebody's business. Perhaps it's because the CIA works for USA "Corporations" overseas. Don't you think. I would not bless any activities we are engaging in overseas with those platitudes that we are spreading liberty, freedom and democracy until we 'fess up to torture, rendition, Guantanamo, and all the seedy truth underneath. We are simply not the good guys among a bunch of bad guys. We are just another bad guy.

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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I don't think one can overlook or minimize the "Opium" money. When we invaded Afghanistan the country was producing 290 tons of opium annually and now that we have been in charge for ten years Afghanistan is producing aboout 9000 tons of opium annually. That's an industry that we have obviously encouraged to thrive in Afghanistan. Perhaps we are not such a desirable overseer as our overlords like to imply. Corrupt and crooked at every level and we breed the same virtues or lack thereof into our surrogates, becausse it's good for somebody's business. Perhaps it's because the CIA works for USA "Corporations" overseas. Don't you think. I would not bless any activities we are engaging in overseas with those platitudes that we are spreading liberty, freedom and democracy until we 'fess up to torture, rendition, Guantanamo, and all the seedy truth underneath. We are simply not the good guys among a bunch of bad guys. We are just another bad guy.
    Well, there isn't too much they can do over there to make money apparently, so it's either opium or being paid by terrorist groups to aid them. Pick your poison.

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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    We are simply not the good guys among a bunch of bad guys. We are just another bad guy.
    Hard to argue against that isn't it?

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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Yup. Millions of dollars of cold hard American cash have disappeared out of thin air--and still remain unaccounted for--but to the partisans and uninformed, it's so much more fun whining about American welfare recipients!

    So you can't have a problem with both?

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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The Karzai-centric strategy pursued under both the Bush and Obama Administrations has been more akin to a disaster than a success. Karzai has been an erratic and unreliable leader. He is a big reason why Afghanistan remains at risk of conflict and substantial strife once the U.S. largely withdraws in 2014.

    In that context, these money transfers are not surprising. IMO, Congress should close the kind of legal loopholes that make such money transfers possible.
    Great idea, but impossible. Remember that CIA is the world's largest drug running group, and has been for decades. McCoy was writing about it in the 70's.

    They have more "off the books" cash than you can shake a stick at.

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