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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

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    How much did Reagan gave them?

    PS. Who was President in 2000-2001?
    In 2000? Um, it was Clinton.

    Try and learn something about how our system works, before you start bitching about it...TYVM!!!!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In 2000? Um, it was Clinton.

    Try and learn something about how our system works, before you start bitching about it...TYVM!!!!
    2000-2001, I wrote. Again you seem big on revolutionism.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    2000-2001, I wrote. Again you seem big on revolutionism.
    And, prior to January of 2001, Clinton was president. There isn't a real learning curve, here. A simple GTS can ejumatecate you on how our political system works.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    it's so much more fun whining about American welfare recipients!
    how bout the 90,000 recipients of $50,000 each, successful claimants against usda, which they accused of discriminating against them in denying them loans

    except, "the template for the deal," according to the nyt, "proved a magnet for fraud"

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/26/us...anted=all&_r=0

    "its very design encouraged people to lie"

    "the bar for a successful claim was so low it was almost impossible to show fraud"

    how bout the "nearly every resident in two adjoining apartment buildings" in columbus ohio, all of whom got the 50k

    how bout the 16 zip codes in arkansas, alabama, mississippi and north carolina where "the number of successful claimants exceeded the total number of farms operated by people of any race"

    the family in little rock---10 members, $500,000 net

    in pine bluff arkansas, a police officer ADMITTED to fraud---he was not prosecuted because "singling out one individual raised questions of selective prosecution"

    "the defendant could go to the jury and say, 'everybody else did this, why am i here,'" wrote us attorney paula casey

    usda was directed to make 16,000 phone calls to keep the claims coming, essentially "recruiting claims against itself"

    you think the gray lady is whining?

    you've lost your bearings

    you seem big on revolutionism
    you mean revisionism

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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    how many of you actually read this article before commenting?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/29/wo...pagewanted=all

    if so, you'd have witnessed the plastic shopping bags, stuffed with hundreds of thousands, even millions of dollars of graft

    who got more, karzai or the claimants against barack obama's usda?

    either way, it's THE MIDDLE CLASS stuck with the grocery tab

    the bribes only "fueled corruption and empowered the warlords"

    all while "undermining washington's exit strategy"

    karzai plays both ends, leverages ours vs iranian payola and vice versa---except the iranians are more "transparent"

    we're not quite getting what we pay for---how many green vs blue assassinations have seen our soldiers murdered by our "allies" over there

    in many cases, the money goes directly to the taliban

    "govt in the grips of what are basically organized crime syndicates"

    "the cash does not appear to be subject to the oversight and restrictions placed on official american aid to the country or even the cias formal assistance program"

    abdul rashid dostum, warlord, drug dealer and militia leader---$80,000 per month

    "i asked for a year up front in cash so i could build my dream house"

    we spend billions in foreign aid, we staff offices of professionals who work diplomatic channels trying to clean up corruption...

    we're at cross purposes, laments the lady

    karzai's administrative chief of his national security council, mr mohammed zia salehi---arrested in 2010 after an fbi investigation into cash smuggling

    "karzai had him released within hours, and the cia then helped persuade the obama administration to back off its anti corruption push, american officials said"

    salehi jokes---i'm an enemy of the fbi and hero of the cia

    the lady---she may be slut and a bitch and a lush and a slob... but she still tells a heck of a story

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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    And Karzi is now calling for us to get the **** out of his country...


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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    And Karzi is now calling for us to get the **** out of his country...
    Which we should gladly do, and should have done more than a handful of years ago.

    The longer we stay, the more foolish we look, and that's quite a task obviously. Looking more foolish that is.

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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Yup. Millions of dollars of cold hard American cash have disappeared out of thin air--and still remain unaccounted for--but to the partisans and uninformed, it's so much more fun whining about American welfare recipients!
    Why do we have to choose? I'll continue to bitch about both thank you.

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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    how many of you actually read this article before commenting?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/29/wo...pagewanted=all

    if so, you'd have witnessed the plastic shopping bags, stuffed with hundreds of thousands, even millions of dollars of graft

    who got more, karzai or the claimants against barack obama's usda?

    either way, it's THE MIDDLE CLASS stuck with the grocery tab

    the bribes only "fueled corruption and empowered the warlords"

    all while "undermining washington's exit strategy"

    karzai plays both ends, leverages ours vs iranian payola and vice versa---except the iranians are more "transparent"

    we're not quite getting what we pay for---how many green vs blue assassinations have seen our soldiers murdered by our "allies" over there

    in many cases, the money goes directly to the taliban

    "govt in the grips of what are basically organized crime syndicates"

    "the cash does not appear to be subject to the oversight and restrictions placed on official american aid to the country or even the cia’s formal assistance program"

    abdul rashid dostum, warlord, drug dealer and militia leader---$80,000 per month

    "i asked for a year up front in cash so i could build my dream house"

    we spend billions in foreign aid, we staff offices of professionals who work diplomatic channels trying to clean up corruption...

    we're at cross purposes, laments the lady

    karzai's administrative chief of his national security council, mr mohammed zia salehi---arrested in 2010 after an fbi investigation into cash smuggling

    "karzai had him released within hours, and the cia then helped persuade the obama administration to back off its anti corruption push, american officials said"

    salehi jokes---i'm an enemy of the fbi and hero of the cia

    the lady---she may be slut and a bitch and a lush and a slob... but she still tells a heck of a story
    Let me see if I have this straight, we give money to Karzai who in turn pays off the Taliban who, in turn, kill our troops and contractors, etc. So basically we are funding not only OUR side of this war, but the opposition's side as well. Good God, could it get any more ironic?

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    Re: Millions in CIA "ghost money" paid to Afghan president's office: New York Times

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    After over a decade, it amazes me that two administrations were unable to see what the average Joe on the street knew within the first year of the war... that Karzai was a corrupt, unqualified narcissist with zero leadership/administrative skills and an insatiable appetite for both power and money. What a massive cluster**** Afghanistan has been, initially implemented in haste without a clear goal or exit strategy, which has left the country in more disarray, with more power in Taliban hands now than when we first arrived.

    America may have the most powerful military on the planet, but that doesn't do much when it is controlled by a pack of fools with an agenda, and that is exactly what happened in Afghanistan and Iraq.
    There were too many factions after the fall of the Taliban, and he seemed to be someone people would believe in. Once he was there, what were we suppose to do? The guy is obviously a putz. Just imagine if the Taliban had complied, and handed over bin Laden. They'd still be in power beating women and making them wear burqas.
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