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    U.S. Opens Spigot After Farmers Claim Discrimination

    nyt this morning, page A1, above the fold

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/26/us...anted=all&_r=0

    in 1999, bill clinton's doj won a supreme court victory on behalf of 91 african american farmers who claimed decades of discrimination at the dept of agriculture had damaged them in that they were not advanced farm loans other americans with equal claims were given

    damages were awarded of $50K per plaintiff

    in the senate, naturally, obama was a loud supporter of the suit (points out the grey lady)

    indeed, he sponsored bills on behalf of "late filer relief"

    then:

    On the heels of the Supreme Court’s ruling, interviews and records show, the Obama administration’s political appointees at the Justice and Agriculture Departments engineered a stunning turnabout: they committed $1.33 billion to compensate not just the 91 plaintiffs but thousands of Hispanic and female farmers who had never claimed bias in court.

    The deal, several current and former government officials said, was fashioned in White House meetings despite the vehement objections — until now undisclosed — of career lawyers and agency officials who had argued that there was no credible evidence of widespread discrimination. What is more, some protested, the template for the deal — the $50,000 payouts to black farmers — had proved a magnet for fraud.

    The compensation effort sprang from a desire to redress what the government and a federal judge agreed was a painful legacy of bias against African-Americans by the Agriculture Department. But an examination by The New York Times shows that it became a runaway train, driven by racial politics, pressure from influential members of Congress and law firms that stand to gain more than $130 million in fees. In the past five years, it has grown to encompass a second group of African-Americans as well as Hispanic, female and Native American farmers. In all, more than 90,000 people have filed claims. The total cost could top $4.4 billion.
    "the bar for a successful claim was so low it was almost impossible to show fraud"

    "its very design encouraged people to lie"

    nursery school age children, urban addresses

    identical handwriting and personal stories

    "even now some people who say they were unfairly denied loans can collect up to 50K with little documentation"

    robert menendez (under current fbi investigation), new jersey, was the principal pusher

    of couse, vilsack at ag was the main mover

    lots of inner dept resistance, the political appointees vs the careerists in ag and doj

    the admin ran roughshod over the professionals who worked the depts before the admin came and will continue to do so after 2016

    an also extra-legal "judgement fund" in treasury

    in 2010 the doj settled vs class action native americans for 760M

    only 300M was ever claimed, leaving the admin 460M to allocate thru "plaintiff's lawyers to be distributed among a handful of non profits serving native americans"

    the doj had essentially awarded itself 460M for purposes of... GRAFT

    vilsack's running victory laps---a new era of civil rights and color blindness

    point guard at doj is tony west (you don't know him but i sure do)

    holder and vilsack refused to talk to nyt, but "senior white house and justice officials" defended these 90K payouts of 50K each "on condition of anonymity"

    vilsack blames "disgruntled" careerists in the depts

    even some of the original plaintiffs are nonplussed---"why did they let people get away with all this stuff"

    "anytime you throw money up in the air you are going to have people acting crazy"

    in 16 zip codes in alabama, arkansas, north carolina and mississippi, "the number of successful claimants exceeded the total number of farms operated by people of any race"

    in maple hill, NC 4 times as many awardees as farmers

    in little rock, one family, 10 members, 500 thousand dollars

    dozens of other cases in arkansas' capital---duplicate addresses, phone numbers

    in columbus, ohio, two adjoining apt buildings, every resident---SAYS THE NY TIMES, front page, top of the fold

    in pine bluff, arkansas, a police officer ADMITTED to fraud---he was not prosecuted because "singling out one individual raised questions of selective prosecution"

    "the defendant could go to the jury and say, 'everybody else did this, why am i here,'" wrote us attorney paula casey

    breitbart and uber con steve king from western iowa were right---concedes the lady, presumably rather reluctantly

    why were so many so quiet?

    congressman king---"never underestimate the fear of being called a racist"

    cue secty vilsack---"a pandora's box of hidden racial agendas"

    in feb, 2010, doj settled vs hispanic class action (after 8 years of stall thru the bush years)

    The claims process opened in late September, six weeks before the election. In the weeks before the March 25 deadline, facing far fewer claimants than expected, the Agriculture Department instructed processors to call about 16,000 people to remind them that time was running out, despite internal disquiet that the government was almost recruiting claims against itself. The deadline was then extended to May 1.

    So far, about 1,900 Hispanics and 24,000 women have sought compensation, many in states where middlemen have built a cottage industry, promising to help win payouts for a fee.
    meet thomas burrell, "charismatic" head of the black farmers and agriculturalists assn, memphis

    on a thursday in little rock, the greater 2nd baptist church, before a crowd of "several hundred african americans" who "listened intently:"

    usda admitted they discriminated against "any black who walked in," he rails

    i got 50K, my 4 sisters each got 50K, we got 50K on behalf of our dead father...

    his dying words, "i was discriminated against by usda," to general laughter

    no limit to the money, no limit to how many...

    so let's go get that judge to start writing those checks!

    they opened the vault!

    The Times’s examination was based on thousands of pages of court and confidential government documents, as well as interviews with dozens of claimants, lawyers, former and current government officials and others involved in the cases over the past 14 years. Many officials spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing rules against disclosing internal government deliberations and, in a few cases, the desire not to be drawn into a racially charged controversy.

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    Re: U.S. Opens Spigot After Farmers Claim Discrimination

    If there's one thing the government is good at, it is giving away money.
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    Re: U.S. Opens Spigot After Farmers Claim Discrimination

    Brietbart was on this story years ago, and was laughed at for it. Amazing what happens when the press that's normally in a politicians pocket remembers what journalism is about.
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    Re: U.S. Opens Spigot After Farmers Claim Discrimination

    I frequently see accusations here that "The MSM" are lap-dogs of the White House.

    So, how did this happen? Not that anybody will care or do anything about it but still....are the MSM changing sides?

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    Re: U.S. Opens Spigot After Farmers Claim Discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I frequently see accusations here that "The MSM" are lap-dogs of the White House.

    So, how did this happen? Not that anybody will care or do anything about it but still....are the MSM changing sides?
    I think its just gotten to the point where you just can't ignore it anymore. 4.4 billion on political kickbacks is hard to sweep under the rug.....

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    Re: U.S. Opens Spigot After Farmers Claim Discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I frequently see accusations here that "The MSM" are lap-dogs of the White House.

    So, how did this happen? Not that anybody will care or do anything about it but still....are the MSM changing sides?
    Heya SB .....they don't have to worry about Obama being re-elected. Then with it being the second term. The MSM does tend to start watching and reporting more of what tarnishes a Presidency. Seems when it get to the last 2 years. They are more driven to report on everything and anything. So IMO this was bound to happen anyways. Plus the NY Times isn't the only one. Politico has been hitting up Obama too.

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    Re: U.S. Opens Spigot After Farmers Claim Discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If there's one thing the government is good at, it is giving away money.
    Yeah, OUR MONEY!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Yeah, OUR MONEY!
    Well, most of it anyway.
    The rest is borrowed and/or printed.

    I wonder if I could get good old Uncle Sammy to print me up a few hundreds?
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    Re: U.S. Opens Spigot After Farmers Claim Discrimination

    I've been as quick to defend Obama as to attack him. After all, he was my choice in 2008. But he's been a disappointment in many areas and this is just insulting.

    Dammit. If the Republicans would only choose a decent candidate(s), and get off the abortion and SSM horse (both about as appealing as gun control - not very) even I will vote for one.

    I can't wait to see the defenders rise up to tell us it's all a lie. This will tell us exactly who the hopelessly partisan are.

    At best, this is either dishonest or incompetence. Even the Democrats are going to hide in the sand on this one. Well, most of them anyway.

    I guess the sequester doesn't apply to pet projects. Assholes.



    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    I think its just gotten to the point where you just can't ignore it anymore. 4.4 billion on political kickbacks is hard to sweep under the rug.....
    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya SB .....they don't have to worry about Obama being re-elected. Then with it being the second term. The MSM does tend to start watching and reporting more of what tarnishes a Presidency. Seems when it get to the last 2 years. They are more driven to report on everything and anything. So IMO this was bound to happen anyways. Plus the NY Times isn't the only one. Politico has been hitting up Obama too.

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    Re: U.S. Opens Spigot After Farmers Claim Discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I can't wait to see the defenders rise up to tell us it's all a lie. This will tell us exactly who the hopelessly partisan are.

    At best, this is either dishonest or incompetence. Even the Democrats are going to hide in the sand on this one. Well, most of them anyway.

    I guess the sequester doesn't apply to pet projects. Assholes.
    It's usually the same suspects on both sides of the isle, as well. attempting to argue about things like the definition of "farmer", accusations of just hating black people, and obvious misreadings about your support for letting children starve. It wouldn't be so bad if those assholes didn't ruin most of the interesting discussions here

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