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    Re: Inhofe, Lucas Introduce Bill Limiting Federal Agencies From Stockpiling Ammunitio

    If this will help keep some ammo on the shelves for the REST of us, I'm for it...

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    Re: Inhofe, Lucas Introduce Bill Limiting Federal Agencies From Stockpiling Ammunitio

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, as these pieces so aptly, and sarcastically points out, buying over the 5 year period was in the governments explanation, 'to save money'.... Yeah right.....This would be a first for anyone in DC, saving money that is....Also, if this is for training as also was suggested by Nayak suggested, then why 'hollow points'?....If you're saving money that is....?

    Sorry, the excuses don't pass the smell test here.
    I understand for some no explanation will do. Somesome ever, for all some wags love to harp on gubmint saving money is like a hooker offering refunds, the government does at least attempt to secure reliable sources and avoid the price gouging the free market can engage in... Like Enron to California.

    Now please pay attention... not ALL the ammo is for training and not all training is done with 'practice' ammo.

    Train like you fight so you fight like you train... ever hear of that? I have seen pistols fail to chamber JHP after hundreds of flawless cycles with round nosed or ball rounds. I would suggest there is nothing in any option out there that would preclude buying cheaper ammo if desired any given year, the contract simply says x number of rounds for this price.

    Next because it has benefited me, making the entire order one type of bullet made the purchase cheaper than a split of bullet types.

    I have no doubt many will refuse to see this as an ongoing contract to maintain a reliable flow of a consumable and instead conjure up vast warehouses over flowing with crates of ammo, just waiting the order from President Obama to take away our freedoms...

    For me that doesn't pass the smell test....

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    Re: Inhofe, Lucas Introduce Bill Limiting Federal Agencies From Stockpiling Ammunitio

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    If congress already knows how much ammo the DHS has then why do they need a report?
    Maybe to find out why a domestic agency such as the DHS needs such an extreme amount?!

    A question which no one, including the DHS, seems to have a rational sensible answer for_

    I say go for it....end the DHS. The public didn't need or want it anyway.
    Great idea Moot!

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    Alax jones is the one pushing this conspiracy? How does that make this story credible in any way? It is pure conspiracy theory.
    Is it your contention that Alex Jones' "facts" on this matter are inaccurate?

    Please confirm your claim with a link to how you came to this conclusion?

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    It seems the Obama Administration considers "law-abiding, decent people" to be a major threat_

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    So if under a Republican administration there is ammo stockpiling, it's because they are patriotic but if ammo stockpiling happens during a Dem administration then the big bad gubamint is going to attack us all... got it.
    I would be suspicious of any Administration that stockpiled ammo in these extreme quantities_

    And I suspect many right-wingers as well as most libertarians would feel pretty much the same way_

    This ammo is obviously not intended to be used in defense against a foreign invasion of the US_

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    Re: Inhofe, Lucas Introduce Bill Limiting Federal Agencies From Stockpiling Ammunitio

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I understand for some no explanation will do. Somesome ever, for all some wags love to harp on gubmint saving money is like a hooker offering refunds, the government does at least attempt to secure reliable sources and avoid the price gouging the free market can engage in... Like Enron to California.

    Now please pay attention... not ALL the ammo is for training and not all training is done with 'practice' ammo.

    Train like you fight so you fight like you train... ever hear of that? I have seen pistols fail to chamber JHP after hundreds of flawless cycles with round nosed or ball rounds. I would suggest there is nothing in any option out there that would preclude buying cheaper ammo if desired any given year, the contract simply says x number of rounds for this price.

    Next because it has benefited me, making the entire order one type of bullet made the purchase cheaper than a split of bullet types.

    I have no doubt many will refuse to see this as an ongoing contract to maintain a reliable flow of a consumable and instead conjure up vast warehouses over flowing with crates of ammo, just waiting the order from President Obama to take away our freedoms...

    For me that doesn't pass the smell test....
    Well then, I go back to the first question, which is, if the army uses approximately 350 rounds per officer in training, why would DHS need approximately 1600 + rounds per DHS officer for training?

    BTW, there have been certain liberals speaking about this tactic that have let slip their intention to go after guns "through the back door", by attacking ammo, magazines, registration, insurance, etc....So don't give me the hot air that it is all just as innocent as a newborn babe playing in the back yard....

    America is smarter than you and yours give credit for, and see through this BS.
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    Re: Inhofe, Lucas Introduce Bill Limiting Federal Agencies From Stockpiling Ammunitio

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Alax jones is the one pushing this conspiracy? How does that make this story credible in any way? It is pure conspiracy theory.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    LOL well, that thar is yer source right thar.....Alex Jones, king of conspriacy nuts. Congress seems to have way too much time on their hands if this is the kind of nonsense they're spending their time and our tax dollars on.


    Say, why don't they just vote themselves a longer recess....like say nine months out of the year since they're incapable of governing and doing more harm than good, anyway?
    Liberal denial comes in all sizes, even 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP.

    He (Chaffetz) pointed out that DHS currently has more than 260 million rounds stockpiled. According to the lawmaker, the agency bought in excess of 103 million rounds in 2012 and reported using 116 million rounds over the year among its roughly 70,000 agents. Those numbers mean that DHS allocated 1,300 to 1,600 rounds per officer, dwarfing the U.S. Army’s average of roughly 350 rounds per soldier.
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    Re: Inhofe, Lucas Introduce Bill Limiting Federal Agencies From Stockpiling Ammunitio

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well then, I go back to the first question, which is, if the army uses approximately 350 rounds per officer in training, why would DHS need approximately 1600 + rounds per DHS officer for training? BTW, there have been certain liberals speaking about this tactic that have let slip their intention to go after guns "through the back door", by attacking ammo, magazines, registration, insurance, etc....So don't give me the hot air that it is all just as innocent as a newborn babe playing in the back yard.... America is smarter than you and yours give credit for, and see through this BS.
    I heard the number as 350 rounds per PERSON per year in the army and some of we know a vast number of military personnel are civilians who learned how to salute. Wonder how many rounds a grunt burns through a year in training? I easily went through 300 a day when training, somewhere a REMF clerk had to sit at his/her desk going bang bang bang with his/her finger all coz of me...

    Oh any new born babe playing in the backyard is suspect to me... never heard of a new born babe being able to do much of anything, especially in the backyard... doesn't pass the smell test, we had best check this out..... ahhh I got ya covered from here- YOU go check it out...

    I am sure much of America is smarter than I, howsome ever I firmly believe most of those folks are not wearing tin foil hats...

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    Re: Inhofe, Lucas Introduce Bill Limiting Federal Agencies From Stockpiling Ammunitio

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I heard the number as 350 rounds per PERSON per year in the army and some of we know a vast number of military personnel are civilians who learned how to salute. Wonder how many rounds a grunt burns through a year in training? I easily went through 300 a day when training, somewhere a REMF clerk had to sit at his/her desk going bang bang bang with his/her finger all coz of me...

    Oh any new born babe playing in the backyard is suspect to me... never heard of a new born babe being able to do much of anything, especially in the backyard... doesn't pass the smell test, we had best check this out..... ahhh I got ya covered from here- YOU go check it out...

    I am sure much of America is smarter than I, howsome ever I firmly believe most of those folks are not wearing tin foil hats...
    And here is where you progressives lose it....All I want to know is why. IF it is legitimate then so be it, but the constant gymnastics to explain it away, coupled with nasty little personal attacks calling people conspiracy theorists for asking the question, is classic 'me thinks thou doth protest too much'
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    Re: Inhofe, Lucas Introduce Bill Limiting Federal Agencies From Stockpiling Ammunitio

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I can't link, but a young go getter such as yourself should be able to do what I did, google it. I give the Hot Air and National Review credit for the story, try some google.
    Seriously??? You actually want me to confirm your facts for you??? That's priceless!

    I believe Debate 101 teaches that it's the responsibility of each debater to confirm their own facts_

    Although, if it was simply your "opinion" then no confirmation would have been expected of you_

    So from now on I suggest you begin each post with "IMO" to avoid those annoying inconvenient facts_
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    Re: Inhofe, Lucas Introduce Bill Limiting Federal Agencies From Stockpiling Ammunitio

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well then, I go back to the first question, which is, if the army uses approximately 350 rounds per officer in training, why would DHS need approximately 1600 + rounds per DHS officer for training? BTW, there have been certain liberals speaking about this tactic that have let slip their intention to go after guns "through the back door", by attacking ammo, magazines, registration, insurance, etc....So don't give me the hot air that it is all just as innocent as a newborn babe playing in the back yard.... America is smarter than you and yours give credit for, and see through this BS.
    Asked and answered. Your 'facts' are incorrect. The Army uses an AVERAGE of 350 per uniformed warm body, per YEAR. Most the warm bodies barely know the pointy end of a weapon from the part you put against your shoulder. Your facts are flawed.

    The DHS is for a 5 year period, you can't compare one year and 5 years. Your facts are flawed.

    I don't care how many times you repeat bad intel, that don't make it suddenly key-rect.

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    Re: Inhofe, Lucas Introduce Bill Limiting Federal Agencies From Stockpiling Ammunitio

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Seriously??? You actually want me to confirm your facts for you??? That's priceless!

    I believe Debate 101 teaches that it's the responsibility of each debater to confirm their own facts_

    Although, if it was simply your "opinion" then no confirmation would have been expected of you_

    So from now on I suggest you begin each post with "IMO" to avoid those annoying inconvenient facts_
    Actually I gave where I got the in the post. debate 101 taught me that is what is required. If you doubt my source or statement please feel free to look it up for your self...that is debate 101 as well. If I had to opine on your debate training i'd say it is lazy and sloppy.

    I have dis-cuss-ed topics enough to know the truly tin foiled care nothing for facts and cling to what they believe and call any 'confirmation' anything but. if President Obama or any cabinet official went on national TV and declared the ammo was for 5 years and an option contract and there will never be a huge pile of ammo anyplace... the tin foil crowd would simply say, "He is lying." so what would be confirmation for you?

    I'm curious to know what would satisfy you.

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