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    Re: Inhofe, Lucas Introduce Bill Limiting Federal Agencies From Stockpiling Ammunitio

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So you can't answer the question...Figures.
    I can answer the question, but you wont listen. The short version is that they aren't actually stockpiling that many rounds. But you have your conspiracy theory, and nothing is going to convince you to move away from it. Any evidence I present will just be further evidence of conspiracy to you, because that's how conspiracy theories work.
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    Gotta love Conservative Paranoia...

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    Re: Inhofe, Lucas Introduce Bill Limiting Federal Agencies From Stockpiling Ammunitio

    If this were the other way around, the Republicans would be crying that the Dems are being unpatriotic and trying to cripple our military.

    Can't you see the irony here? Republicans trying to limit our military power?

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    Re: Inhofe, Lucas Introduce Bill Limiting Federal Agencies From Stockpiling Ammunitio

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    If this were the other way around, the Republicans would be crying that the Dems are being unpatriotic and trying to cripple our military.

    Can't you see the irony here? Republicans trying to limit our military power?
    Is DHS now the military, or is this the "Just as large, just as well funded, and just as well armed civilian force" that Obama spoke of in 2009?
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    Re: Inhofe, Lucas Introduce Bill Limiting Federal Agencies From Stockpiling Ammunitio

    Even realizing that he was going to immediately be labeled as a Right wing conspiracy theorist by the Left, Congressman Jason Chaffetz posed a rather pesky question to the Department of Homeland Security this week which is sure to get a lot of tongues wagging. Why do they need to purchase huge stockpiles of ammunition? Far more, in fact, than the Army buys on a per capita basis.
    Homeland Security’s procurement officer is grilled in Congress on why federal agents who rarely fire weapons need several times more bullets annually than an Army officer. Who or what are they shooting at?
    Republican Rep. Jason Chaffetz on Thursday asked Nick Nayak, DHS’ chief procurement officer, a question we and others have been asking: Why has the Department of Homeland Security been buying so much ammunition?
    Dismissed as a concern only of right-wing conspiracy theorists, the reported amounts as high as 2 billion rounds have varied and been explained not as a one-time purchase but a bulk buy over five years to reduce costs. It’s one of the rare instances, apparently, a government agency has actually cared about such a thing.
    Chaffetz notes that DHS is currently sitting on more than 260 million rounds of ammunition. Their current claimed rate of expending bullets works out to between 1,300 and 1,600 rounds per officer each year, while the Army averages 350 per officer. Nyak agreed with the math, but insisted that DHS goes through roughly that amount every year, almost exclusively for training. But if it’s for training, there’s another question to be answered.
    Jonathan L. Lasher, the Social Security Administration’s assistant inspector general for external relations, has previously explained the purchase of 174,000 hollow-point bullets by saying they were for the Social Security inspector general’s office…
    Another question is why so many hollow-point bullets are being purchased?
    As former Marine Richard Mason recently told reporters with WHPTV News in Pennsylvania, hollow-points (which make up the bulk of the DHS purchases) are not used for training because they are more expensive than standard firing-range rounds. “We never trained with hollow points. We didn’t even see hollow points my entire 4-1/2 (years) in the Marine Corps,” Mason said.
    That’s a lot of ammo. And that’s one heck of a lot of hollow points to be wasting on paper targets.

    Why is DHS stockpiling so much ammo? « Hot Air
    We know that the liberal tactic is to attack the one asking questions, label them as some kind of nut, then dismiss them. This is a well worn out tactic, and it avoids honestly discussing the subject. I think it is a reasonable question to ask why DHS needs so much ammo. What are they doing with it?
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    Re: Inhofe, Lucas Introduce Bill Limiting Federal Agencies From Stockpiling Ammunitio

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We know that the liberal tactic is to attack the one asking questions, label them as some kind of nut, then dismiss them. This is a well worn out tactic, and it avoids honestly discussing the subject. I think it is a reasonable question to ask why DHS needs so much ammo. What are they doing with it?
    They aren't stockpiling that much ammo. It's a bulk order over several years of up to some specified amount. The actual amount purchased ends up far less. But if you'd go to websites other than right wing blogs you'd probably know this already.
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    Re: Inhofe, Lucas Introduce Bill Limiting Federal Agencies From Stockpiling Ammunitio

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    So if under a Republican administration there is ammo stockpiling, it's because they are patriotic but if ammo stockpiling happens during a Dem administration then the big bad gubamint is going to attack us all... got it.

    Just wanna find where your paranoia limits are.
    Rob, care to chose an argument someone in this thread actually, you know, MADE? All we are asking is WHY they need it. We are even asking your side and you, to a person, have refused to even address the question except to launch ridicule. So how about the guys on your side actually try talking about the issue rather than making up arguments?

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    Re: Inhofe, Lucas Introduce Bill Limiting Federal Agencies From Stockpiling Ammunitio

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    HAHAHAHA!

    Next thing you know the extreme right wing will be claiming that the Obama administration told gun sellers to illegally sell a couple thousand AK-47s and high-powered handguns to criminals so that they could be walked over the border and into the hands of Mexican drug lords! Their conspiracy theories never cease!

    HAHAHAHA!
    Yea right Taylor!

    As if the White House and the DOJ would actually Green Light such a massive gun sale to known criminals with a reputation for the mass murders of thousands of people!

    Next they'll be saying we never got any of those guns back!

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    This was answered in another thread awhile back, I'm sure you read about it.

    you can go read online about it, hot Air did a piece on it.

    Basically the Department of Homeland Security is a blanket organization for a myriad of government agencies(22) and their training programs.

    DHS didn't buy 1.6 to 2 billion rounds, they put out an option to buy 1.6 billion over a, and pay attention here, over a 5 year period. Think of it as a stock option with primers. It only makes sense a huge law enforcement group such as DHS which also has the Border Patrol as part of it's organization put out contracts to hold a certain amount of ammo to be available each year. (given the panic buying many are engaging in at every rumor it only makes sense)

    But even so EVERY governmental agency tendered multi-year contracts for bulk consumables it can estimate it will need in the future.

    The National Review has an article by Charles Cooke where he quotes the NRA as dismissive of the 'threat'.

    I hope you investigate this a bit for yourself and not just the rabble rouser websites and bloggers.
    I must have missed that one NQR_

    Could you please link me to the site that confirmed DHS's 5 year option plan for this purchase?
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    Re: Inhofe, Lucas Introduce Bill Limiting Federal Agencies From Stockpiling Ammunitio

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    I must have missed that one NQR_ Could you please link me to the site that confirmed DHS's 5 year option plan for this purchase?
    I can't link, but a young go getter such as yourself should be able to do what I did, google it. I give the Hot Air and National Review credit for the story, try some google.

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    Re: Inhofe, Lucas Introduce Bill Limiting Federal Agencies From Stockpiling Ammunitio

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I can't link, but a young go getter such as yourself should be able to do what I did, google it. I give the Hot Air and National Review credit for the story, try some google.
    Well, as these pieces so aptly, and sarcastically points out, buying over the 5 year period was in the governments explanation, 'to save money'.... Yeah right.....This would be a first for anyone in DC, saving money that is....Also, if this is for training as also was suggested by Nayak suggested, then why 'hollow points'?....If you're saving money that is....?

    Sorry, the excuses don't pass the smell test here.
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