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US suspects Syria used chemical weapons [W:284]

j-mac said:
British, French, and Israel, including our own Jon Kerry are saying that there is about a 95% certainty....



Well, you should change your response to "America"....Russia, and Iran are already involved. Obama is just standing on the sidelines watching the massacre.



Ahem....70,000 dead right now, estimated 100,000 dead by August, and some 500K refuge's....Keep rollin' those eyes.
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But there is no evidence that Assad gave any order to use any chemical weapons. Do you think that Al Nusra while fighting Assad's troops could have possibly come across some small cache. In Which the troops they killed might have used them in stand your ground situation. Like In trying to prevent the Rebels from getting them?
 
divide and govern

typical western policy
 
some friends are humanitarians:roll:

they care about islamist rebels:roll:

in fact

nobody pays attention to what is happening to these people who have to live under despotic regimes

l am not fan of Qaddafi ,saddam or other dictators

but l hate imperialism

women may be stoned to death in this region ,who cares as long as puppet kings keep obeying their rules

if the west cared about them

they wouldnt help the islamists kill their leaders

but those leaders were not psycho rapists like serbian bastards who forced muslims to rape their own sisters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


two faced democracy games ,l dont buy it thx............

thank god l have enough mind to realize what is right and what is wrong

but ignorance is the biggest enemy of humanity

and it harms the people in long term more than any chemical weapon
 
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ecofarm said:
We are confident in the victory of good over evil.
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So am I. I just don't believe blowing off the limbs of children is an act of 'good.'
 
j-mac said:
The great thing about the military, and what makes ours the greatest to ever grace the earth, is that as a volunteer force, we are possibly also the most professional military force in history. The make up of civilian leadership ensures that military decisions can be made by non military invested decision makers, this is for a very good reason.
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You completely missed the point.

"how is affected your family"? You'd have to explain that one further,
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Two of my closest friends and my cousin have PTSD, depressed, withdrawn, and/or drug/alcohol addicts.


but in any case you do realize the irony of you calling names like 'chickenhawk' and you never having served right? Might I suggest before you travel further down this path of denigration of the military, you stop while you're behind.
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Do you even know what a 'chickenhawk' is? Perhaps you should look up the definition.
 
Medusa said:
some friends are humanitarians:roll:

they care about islamist rebels:roll:

in fact

nobody pays attention to what is happening to these people who have to live under despotic regimes

l am not fan of Qaddafi ,saddam or other dictators

but l hate imperialism

women may be stoned to death in this region ,who cares as long as puppet kings keep obeying their rules

if the west cared about them

they wouldnt help the islamists kill their leaders

but those leaders were not psycho rapists like serbian bastards who forced muslims to rape their own sisters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


two faced democracy games ,l dont buy it thx............

thank god l have enough mind to realize what is right and what is wrong

but ignorance is the biggest enemy of humanity

and it harms the people in long term more than any chemical weapon
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Where is this imperialism going on with regard to Syria?
 
Medusa said:
some friends are humanitarians:roll:

they care about islamist rebels:roll:

in fact

nobody pays attention to what is happening to these people who have to live under despotic regimes...
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Really? How much money do you think America, and the American people have dumped into your region? I know of a lot of people that wish that leaders of the ME would wake the hell up and realize that freedom, and religious tolerance are a key to prosperity and peace. But as long as the people there are cowed in fear of extremist religious groups, their fate is at odds with other lives.

l am not fan of Qaddafi ,saddam or other dictators

but l hate imperialism
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Funny how those from your region never seem to understand the imperialism of the caliphate.

women may be stoned to death in this region ,who cares as long as puppet kings keep obeying their rules
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See this is what is so frustrating about the ME, you for example, are railing against the "imperialism of the west" while at the same time seemingly crying out for the west to do something about your "puppet kings".... You're all over the board.

if the west cared about them

they wouldnt help the islamists kill their leaders

but those leaders were not psycho rapists like serbian bastards who forced muslims to rape their own sisters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And countries like the US sent in military to put an end to that, and help the muslims. What did we get for it? Spit in our faces, and attacked.

two faced democracy games ,l dont buy it thx............
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Course not, you're too busy spewing the two faced Islamic games....We should really leave that **** hole region to itself and see how long it takes those like you to cry out 'where oh where is the US'....The hypocrisy of those in that region that gnash their teeth at American help, and decry it as some sort of meddling, then when the US says 'ok we are out of here', blames the US for the ensuing death that comes....You place your friends in impossible situations then wonder what happened when you look around and have no friends.

thank god l have enough mind to realize what is right and what is wrong

but ignorance is the biggest enemy of humanity

and it harms the people in long term more than any chemical weapon
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Name calling, while you keep your hand in my pocket shows what you think is right or wrong.
 
Jack Hays said:
We don't need to go to war in Syria. We need only to assist those who are prepared to die for their own country. We have nothing to lose in Syria and much to gain, and the cost is rock bottom.:cool:
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Like how we helped the Afghans in the 80s who later turned against us?
 
Geoist said:
You completely missed the point.
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Nah, I don't think I did...I just highlighted what you DON'T know about the military, and its make up.

Two of my closest friends and my cousin have PTSD, depressed, withdrawn, and/or drug/alcohol addicts.
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I am truly sorry to hear that, and hope that the get the help they need. War is a hellish thing.

Do you even know what a 'chickenhawk' is? Perhaps you should look up the definition.
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Yes I do. And I think it is a deplorable state in this country when little ****s run around calling those serving this country in their own way, cowards, when you yourself have never, and would never don the uniform yourself....But yet enjoy the fruits of people like your cousin, and friends that have problems now from protecting your right to call others names from the sidelines....I'd rather you just nod your head, and keep your mouth shut, or go on down yourself and sign up. Either way I don't really give two ****s what you think the leaders of this country are, or are not. I am sure you couldn't do that job on your best day.
 
j-mac said:
Really? How much money do you think America, and the American people have dumped into your region? I know of a lot of people that wish that leaders of the ME would wake the hell up and realize that freedom, and religious tolerance are a key to prosperity and peace. But as long as the people there are cowed in fear of extremist religious groups, their fate is at odds with other lives.





Funny how those from your region never seem to understand the imperialism of the caliphate.



See this is what is so frustrating about the ME, you for example, are railing against the "imperialism of the west" while at the same time seemingly crying out for the west to do something about your "puppet kings".... You're all over the board.



And countries like the US sent in military to put an end to that, and help the muslims. What did we get for it? Spit in our faces, and attacked.



Course not, you're too busy spewing the two faced Islamic games....We should really leave that **** hole region to itself and see how long it takes those like you to cry out 'where oh where is the US'....The hypocrisy of those in that region that gnash their teeth at American help, and decry it as some sort of meddling, then when the US says 'ok we are out of here', blames the US for the ensuing death that comes....You place your friends in impossible situations then wonder what happened when you look around and have no friends.



Name calling, while you keep your hand in my pocket shows what you think is right or wrong.
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huh ??
 
Geoist said:
What I got from what you said was that we should be condemning his failure to take action.
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You take from it what you want. Or you can take from it what was actually said. Dont say something unless you mean something. The last thing Obama (and the US) needs for us to be perceived as even more of a ***** by drawing lines in the sand then erasing those lines and redrawing...and redrawing...and redrawing...
 
American said:
Where is this imperialism going on with regard to Syria?
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l had started a thread in europe forum

you can have a look at it

but if you dont want to understand ,you cant understand
 
That the Assad regime is brutal is not a surprise. Nevertheless, that does not mean that the U.S. should intervene in Syria's civil war. Unless there is a compelling national interest, the U.S. should refrain from getting involved.

First, the anti-Assad elements have not offered any credible indications that they would initiate a tolerant political system, much less be able to maintain stability. Second, they have offered no credible assurances that they would embrace policies more compatible with U.S. interests (reduced cooperation with Iran, ending assistance to Hezbollah and Hamas, concluding peace with Israel, etc.).

Right now, one is witnessing a conflict in which the Sunni majority is seeking to topple the Alawite minority's hold on power. One cannot automatically draw the conclusion that a "democratic" revolution is underway. Indeed, some of the elements involved with the anti-Assad forces would argue against the idea of a democratic nature. Like most ethnic conflicts, the tactics employed by both sides are brutal, there's little inhibition about respecting the welfare of civilians, and the result is high casualties. Like most ethnic conflicts, there's also a zero-sum mentality held by both parties, neither of which is seriously interested in compromising on a peaceful path forward. Each side believes there is no mutually beneficial solution and that one can only gain at the expense of another. Each wants a total victory.

The experience in Libya and difficulties in Afghanistan and Iraq both argue for caution. Unpopular as it might be, unless there is a strong U.S. interest involved--and at present there isn't--the U.S. should refrain from getting embroiled in Syria's civil war. It should provide humanitarian aid and help Turkey deal with the refugee issue. If Syria begins to use chemical weapons against civilians as opposed to combatants, then an air strike against Syria's known chemical weapons facilities might make sense to take those weapons off the table. At this time, the limited evidence available does not reveal that the chemical weapons were deployed against civilians.
 
I see our President will be holding a press conference shortly.
Then we'll be able to see his media SOP play out regarding yet another uncomfortable issue ...
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j-mac said:
NO, that wasn't the 'contention'. Nor was it some kook theory..It was a fact that we noted convoy's crossing into Syria days before the invasion. It is a fact that flights departing Iraq, and landing in Damascus...It is a fact that a top General in Saddam's army testifies that NBC tech, and weaponry were moved pre war to Syria.

There is plenty of logic there Ditto for those not blinded by their hatred of the administration of the time. ;)
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Oh, yes, I see it now. If only I didn't hate Bush and his decision to invade Iraq, then I, too, would be a true patriot who could see that, since WMD was a part of the reason for invading, then there must, by gosh, have been WMD whether we actually found any or not. Therefore, those trucks crossing the border had to have been taking Saddam's weapons out of the country before it could be invaded. How could the logic of sending your arsenal out of the country as a strategy of war have possibly escaped me?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Oh, yes, I see it now. If only I didn't hate Bush and his decision to invade Iraq, then I, too, would be a true patriot who could see that, since WMD was a part of the reason for invading, then there must, by gosh, have been WMD whether we actually found any or not. Therefore, those trucks crossing the border had to have been taking Saddam's weapons out of the country before it could be invaded. How could the logic of sending your arsenal out of the country as a strategy of war have possibly escaped me?
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That's it? That's all you got? Putting words in someones mouth, and sarcastic drivel? Come on back when you want to have a rational discussion.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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Read more and video @: US suspects Syria used chemical weapons - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

Chemical weapons may have been used in Syria but on a small scale. Intelligence is not 100% sure but it seems they may have been used but dont know how they were "used".
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We don't need to "know" (shakes head "no") that they used gas to launch an interventionist military campaign against another entrenched populace. We just need to "know" (shakes head "yes") that they were "using" chemical weapons.

Seriously, did we learn no lesson from last time? Trumped up charges of WMD being used as an excuse to plunge towards more war?
 
j-mac said:
Nah, I don't think I did...I just highlighted what you DON'T know about the military,
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You missed the point because you are going on and on about voluntary force when that has nothing to do with what I said.

You have no idea what I know about the military.


I am truly sorry to hear that, and hope that the get the help they need. War is a hellish thing.
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Not for the profiteers or the State which you seem to love so much (isn't that ironic for a 'conservative.')

Yes I do. And I think it is a deplorable state in this country when little ****s run around calling those serving this country in their own way, cowards, when you yourself have never, and would never don the uniform yourself....
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I chose not to serve and I don't want our government sending our troops to die for something I don't believe in. Therefore, I am neither a chickenhawk or a hypocrite.


But yet enjoy the fruits of people like your cousin, and friends that have problems now from protecting your right to call others names from the sidelines....
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My freedoms make me free, not war.


I'd rather you just nod your head, and keep your mouth shut, or go on down yourself and sign up. Either way I don't really give two ****s what you think the leaders of this country are, or are not. I am sure you couldn't do that job on your best day.
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Thanks for the personal attack. Much appreciated.
 
j-mac said:
That's it? That's all you got? Putting words in someones mouth, and sarcastic drivel? Come on back when you want to have a rational discussion.
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No that's pretty much what you said. You believe Saddam had WMD and he moved them to Syria because George Bush wouldn't have lied.
 
Geoist said:
So am I. I just don't believe blowing off the limbs of children is an act of 'good.'
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Perhaps you don't see the forest for the tree.
 
Geoist said:
Evil doesn't beget good. Only good can beget good.
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Collateral damage is not evil; it serves good. Only via a reduction of the event to a rather childish perspective can someone fail to understand the greater implications. Such a position is like considering writing to be evil because it destroys the pencil.
 
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