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    Re: US suspects Syria used chemical weapons [W:284]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Soviet troops knew they weren't fighting for freedom...LOL!!!
    They also didn't likely think they were the evil empire either.

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    Re: US suspects Syria used chemical weapons [W:284]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Soviet troops knew they weren't fighting for freedom...LOL!!!
    Many of them were just as brainwashed as American troops. Admittedly Russians tended to be more realistic about the situation and less trusting of governments in general, but you had your true believers.

    America is unique in that a clear majority of troops actually believe that they are fighting for freedom, or did at one point.

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    Re: US suspects Syria used chemical weapons [W:284]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It must be difficult to live in such fear. Are you really that afraid?
    Nope, I'm a prepper so I have enough food, guns, ammunition, etc. to survive in any event.

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    Re: US suspects Syria used chemical weapons [W:284]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    That would not have happened had we not abandoned Afghanistan. We didn't need to do much, but a little engagement would have precluded a large problem. Like now.
    Yeah, because government doesn't work at home but it certainly works abroad. Nearly all our recent foreign interventions have eventually come back to haunt us. I am not willing to bet on the State now.
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    Re: US suspects Syria used chemical weapons [W:284]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Manslaughter is purely accidental.
    And yet it is still a crime under our judicial system (as it should be).
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    Re: US suspects Syria used chemical weapons [W:284]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You take from it what you want. Or you can take from it what was actually said. Dont say something unless you mean something. The last thing Obama (and the US) needs for us to be perceived as even more of a pussy by drawing lines in the sand then erasing those lines and redrawing...and redrawing...and redrawing...
    Fair enough. But I think its still a little early to jump to such conclusions when we are still obtaining information about what happened.
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    Re: US suspects Syria used chemical weapons [W:284]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    And yet it is still a crime under our judicial system (as it should be).
    You don't understand. Collateral damage is not purely accidental; it is a calculated decision that more good than bad is done in the operation. As a calculated decision, it does not qualify as manslaughter.

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    Re: US suspects Syria used chemical weapons [W:284]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You don't understand. Collateral damage is not purely accidental; it is a calculated decision that more good than bad is done in the operation.
    This is the same rationale terrorists make.


    As a calculated decision, it does not qualify as manslaughter.
    But you're right, a lot of it is not purely accidental therefore it is not manslaughter. It is murder.
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    Re: US suspects Syria used chemical weapons [W:284]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    This is the same rationale terrorists make.
    Yes, except we are killing mass murderers and they target civilians. For terrorists, collateral damage is the only damage. The West, however, does not target civilians. Surely, you can see the vast difference. The mere belief that one is doing good is insufficient; there must be 'objective' analysis.

    Without value judgments and ethical considerations, YOU are the one utilizing terrorist (deeply flawed) logic, not me.

    But you're right, a lot of it is not purely accidental therefore it is not manslaughter. It is murder.
    Your retreat is untenable. This position is not respectable.

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    Re: US suspects Syria used chemical weapons [W:284]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Yes, except we are killing mass murderers and they target civilians.
    We definitely target civilian locals and rain death from above. You think we haven't killed A LOT of civilians? More than terrorists because our bombs are better and we're better able to use them. Please, war kills innocents and the US has before and likely will in the future, target civilians for causalities. And at the very least, we're not shy about creating civilian casualties; though many hide behind "it wasn't intended" or "there was a terrorist in that group of 150 civilians!".
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