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    re: US suspects Syria used chemical weapons [W:284]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Really? How much money do you think America, and the American people have dumped into your region? I know of a lot of people that wish that leaders of the ME would wake the hell up and realize that freedom, and religious tolerance are a key to prosperity and peace. But as long as the people there are cowed in fear of extremist religious groups, their fate is at odds with other lives.





    Funny how those from your region never seem to understand the imperialism of the caliphate.



    See this is what is so frustrating about the ME, you for example, are railing against the "imperialism of the west" while at the same time seemingly crying out for the west to do something about your "puppet kings".... You're all over the board.



    And countries like the US sent in military to put an end to that, and help the muslims. What did we get for it? Spit in our faces, and attacked.



    Course not, you're too busy spewing the two faced Islamic games....We should really leave that **** hole region to itself and see how long it takes those like you to cry out 'where oh where is the US'....The hypocrisy of those in that region that gnash their teeth at American help, and decry it as some sort of meddling, then when the US says 'ok we are out of here', blames the US for the ensuing death that comes....You place your friends in impossible situations then wonder what happened when you look around and have no friends.



    Name calling, while you keep your hand in my pocket shows what you think is right or wrong.
    huh ??
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    re: US suspects Syria used chemical weapons [W:284]

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    huh ??
    "huh" is right....
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    re: US suspects Syria used chemical weapons [W:284]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    What I got from what you said was that we should be condemning his failure to take action.
    You take from it what you want. Or you can take from it what was actually said. Dont say something unless you mean something. The last thing Obama (and the US) needs for us to be perceived as even more of a pussy by drawing lines in the sand then erasing those lines and redrawing...and redrawing...and redrawing...

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    re: US suspects Syria used chemical weapons [W:284]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Where is this imperialism going on with regard to Syria?
    l had started a thread in europe forum

    you can have a look at it

    but if you dont want to understand ,you cant understand
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    re: US suspects Syria used chemical weapons [W:284]

    That the Assad regime is brutal is not a surprise. Nevertheless, that does not mean that the U.S. should intervene in Syria's civil war. Unless there is a compelling national interest, the U.S. should refrain from getting involved.

    First, the anti-Assad elements have not offered any credible indications that they would initiate a tolerant political system, much less be able to maintain stability. Second, they have offered no credible assurances that they would embrace policies more compatible with U.S. interests (reduced cooperation with Iran, ending assistance to Hezbollah and Hamas, concluding peace with Israel, etc.).

    Right now, one is witnessing a conflict in which the Sunni majority is seeking to topple the Alawite minority's hold on power. One cannot automatically draw the conclusion that a "democratic" revolution is underway. Indeed, some of the elements involved with the anti-Assad forces would argue against the idea of a democratic nature. Like most ethnic conflicts, the tactics employed by both sides are brutal, there's little inhibition about respecting the welfare of civilians, and the result is high casualties. Like most ethnic conflicts, there's also a zero-sum mentality held by both parties, neither of which is seriously interested in compromising on a peaceful path forward. Each side believes there is no mutually beneficial solution and that one can only gain at the expense of another. Each wants a total victory.

    The experience in Libya and difficulties in Afghanistan and Iraq both argue for caution. Unpopular as it might be, unless there is a strong U.S. interest involved--and at present there isn't--the U.S. should refrain from getting embroiled in Syria's civil war. It should provide humanitarian aid and help Turkey deal with the refugee issue. If Syria begins to use chemical weapons against civilians as opposed to combatants, then an air strike against Syria's known chemical weapons facilities might make sense to take those weapons off the table. At this time, the limited evidence available does not reveal that the chemical weapons were deployed against civilians.

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    re: US suspects Syria used chemical weapons [W:284]

    I see our President will be holding a press conference shortly.
    Then we'll be able to see his media SOP play out regarding yet another uncomfortable issue ...
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    re: US suspects Syria used chemical weapons [W:284]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    NO, that wasn't the 'contention'. Nor was it some kook theory..It was a fact that we noted convoy's crossing into Syria days before the invasion. It is a fact that flights departing Iraq, and landing in Damascus...It is a fact that a top General in Saddam's army testifies that NBC tech, and weaponry were moved pre war to Syria.

    There is plenty of logic there Ditto for those not blinded by their hatred of the administration of the time.
    Oh, yes, I see it now. If only I didn't hate Bush and his decision to invade Iraq, then I, too, would be a true patriot who could see that, since WMD was a part of the reason for invading, then there must, by gosh, have been WMD whether we actually found any or not. Therefore, those trucks crossing the border had to have been taking Saddam's weapons out of the country before it could be invaded. How could the logic of sending your arsenal out of the country as a strategy of war have possibly escaped me?
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    re: US suspects Syria used chemical weapons [W:284]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh, yes, I see it now. If only I didn't hate Bush and his decision to invade Iraq, then I, too, would be a true patriot who could see that, since WMD was a part of the reason for invading, then there must, by gosh, have been WMD whether we actually found any or not. Therefore, those trucks crossing the border had to have been taking Saddam's weapons out of the country before it could be invaded. How could the logic of sending your arsenal out of the country as a strategy of war have possibly escaped me?
    That's it? That's all you got? Putting words in someones mouth, and sarcastic drivel? Come on back when you want to have a rational discussion.
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    re: US suspects Syria used chemical weapons [W:284]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Read more and video @: US suspects Syria used chemical weapons - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

    Chemical weapons may have been used in Syria but on a small scale. Intelligence is not 100% sure but it seems they may have been used but dont know how they were "used".
    We don't need to "know" (shakes head "no") that they used gas to launch an interventionist military campaign against another entrenched populace. We just need to "know" (shakes head "yes") that they were "using" chemical weapons.

    Seriously, did we learn no lesson from last time? Trumped up charges of WMD being used as an excuse to plunge towards more war?
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    re: US suspects Syria used chemical weapons [W:284]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nah, I don't think I did...I just highlighted what you DON'T know about the military,
    You missed the point because you are going on and on about voluntary force when that has nothing to do with what I said.

    You have no idea what I know about the military.


    I am truly sorry to hear that, and hope that the get the help they need. War is a hellish thing.
    Not for the profiteers or the State which you seem to love so much (isn't that ironic for a 'conservative.')

    Yes I do. And I think it is a deplorable state in this country when little ****s run around calling those serving this country in their own way, cowards, when you yourself have never, and would never don the uniform yourself....
    I chose not to serve and I don't want our government sending our troops to die for something I don't believe in. Therefore, I am neither a chickenhawk or a hypocrite.


    But yet enjoy the fruits of people like your cousin, and friends that have problems now from protecting your right to call others names from the sidelines....
    My freedoms make me free, not war.


    I'd rather you just nod your head, and keep your mouth shut, or go on down yourself and sign up. Either way I don't really give two ****s what you think the leaders of this country are, or are not. I am sure you couldn't do that job on your best day.
    Thanks for the personal attack. Much appreciated.
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