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US suspects Syria used chemical weapons [W:284]

Innumeracy and cowardice in one post. Nice work.:cool:

It's easy to be brave with other peoples lives.

I was always amused hearing people talk about how "cowardly" the enemy was for using IED's. I wonder how many of them would have went up against a 15 deep convoy of uparmored trucks carrying 50 cals, grenade launchers, and other automatic weapons -- armed with nothing but their Soviet era rifles.

No, we were "bravely" patrolling the streets with the comfort of our total air superiority. Our advantage is/was overwhelming in every way, to the point where it's silly to even try to make a comparison. So excuse me when I laugh at people who talk about how brave soldiers are for going to Iraq or Afghanistan, and how cowardly the enemy is. I see things clearly, free from the chains of bull**** propaganda. I have no vested interest either way, I'm not Muslim and I have no kind of ties to anywhere in that region. I'm just not a total brainwashed tool like some of the people who actually believe that they were "fighting for freedom."
 
We will have to find out.. If chemical weapons were actually used..

So essentially then your words are meaningless, because Assad is refusing inspection teams from the UN, and denying the use. So, I guess Assad has his answer from those on the political left in the world like your self DS, and that is, for Assad to kill at will, we will do nothing.

Do us a favor then, and don't ever tell us how you think one life is worth it, it clearly means nothing.
 
It's easy to be brave with other peoples lives.

I was always amused hearing people talk about how "cowardly" the enemy was for using IED's. I wonder how many of them would have went up against a 15 deep convoy of uparmored trucks carrying 50 cals, grenade launchers, and other automatic weapons -- armed with nothing but their Soviet era rifles.

No, we were "bravely" patrolling the streets with the comfort of our total air superiority. Our advantage is/was overwhelming in every way, to the point where it's silly to even try to make a comparison. So excuse me when I laugh at people who talk about how brave soldiers are for going to Iraq or Afghanistan, and how cowardly the enemy is. I see things clearly, free from the chains of bull**** propaganda. I have no vested interest either way, I'm not Muslim and I have no kind of ties to anywhere in that region. I'm just not a total brainwashed tool like some of the people who actually believe that they were "fighting for freedom."

What would you say of a man that hides behind women and children?
 
So essentially then your words are meaningless, because Assad is refusing inspection teams from the UN, and denying the use.
There are still other means to confirm this via intelligence teams. Thats how we found out that he may of used them in the first place.

So, I guess Assad has his answer from those on the political left in the world like your self DS, and that is, for Assad to kill at will, we will do nothing.
No my response is its not anyone's job to get involved in a sectarian civil war.

Do us a favor then, and don't ever tell us how you think one life is worth it, it clearly means nothing.

:roll:
 
There are still other means to confirm this via intelligence teams. Thats how we found out that he may of used them in the first place.

British, French, and Israel, including our own Jon Kerry are saying that there is about a 95% certainty....

No my response is its not anyone's job to get involved in a sectarian civil war.

Well, you should change your response to "America"....Russia, and Iran are already involved. Obama is just standing on the sidelines watching the massacre.


Ahem....70,000 dead right now, estimated 100,000 dead by August, and some 500K refuge's....Keep rollin' those eyes.
 
British, French, and Israel, including our own Jon Kerry are saying that there is about a 95% certainty....
I would rather be 100% certain because isnt that what our gov told us about Iraq?


Well, you should change your response to "America"....Russia, and Iran are already involved. Obama is just standing on the sidelines watching the massacre.
:doh
Well good for them i still think they shouldnt be involved.
We are involved as well bud..
U.S. Increases Aid to Syrian Rebel Forces, Again
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/w...bels-with-conditions.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


Ahem....70,000 dead right now, estimated 100,000 dead by August, and some 500K refuge's....Keep rollin' those eyes.
And its a damn shame.
Have i spoken in favor of the Assad regime?
 
What would you say of a man that hides behind women and children?

I'd say he's about as brave as our "noble" leaders who desire to take us to war in the first place and cause this situation.
 
I would rather be 100% certain because isnt that what our gov told us about Iraq?

What in this world is ever 100%....You may as well say never.

Well good for them i still think they shouldnt be involved.
We are involved as well bud..
U.S. Increases Aid to Syrian Rebel Forces, Again
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/wo...anted=all&_r=0

financial aid is nothing compared to a no fly zone. Unless you think it fair that Jet's and their munitions are matched up with rebel fighters on the ground....

And its a damn shame.
Have i spoken in favor of the Assad regime?

being guilty through the act of doing nothing about it, is not only cowardly, but is generally thought of as being an accessory to the actions.
 
I'd say he's about as brave as our "noble" leaders who desire to take us to war in the first place and cause this situation.

That's just plain Bull ****! You don't have a clue about what is reality in warfare.
 
What in this world is ever 100%....You may as well say never.
Lots of stuff.


financial aid is nothing compared to a no fly zone. Unless you think it fair that Jet's and their munitions are matched up with rebel fighters on the ground....
:roll:
I thought we werent involved?
Now were involved but not just involved as much as you would like?


being guilty through the act of doing nothing about it, is not only cowardly, but is generally thought of as being an accessory to the actions.
:doh
So with all the civil wars that went on throughout the world and the US not getting involved in them was being an "accessory to the actions"?
 
That's just plain Bull ****! You don't have a clue about what is reality in warfare.

That's a very compelling argument you have there!
 
Lots of stuff.

:roll: This alone shows you don't know what you are talking about.

I thought we werent involved?
Now were involved but not just involved as much as you would like?

Yeah, that's right...I'd rather not have Assad slaughtering his own people. When did that become bad?

So with all the civil wars that went on throughout the world and the US not getting involved in them was being an "accessory to the actions"?

We'd have to take a look at a case by case analysis of what you are asking here, I would venture some yes, some no...We are human after all. But this case seems clear so far, and it is interesting that Obama felt that Lybia, and Mali, two places with a near zero retaliatory threat were fine to intervene in, but Syria, a country on Israel's border, with NBC/WMD, and a large professional army is just too dangerous for him...So, he'll just beg off and let the people die.
 
:roll: This alone shows you don't know what you are talking about.
100% certain there is a civil war going on in Syria
100% certain that US has supported right wing dictators throughout the world
100% certain that the Bush regime picked and chose what intelegence to feed to the people on Iraq
100% certain that there were no WMDS
100% ceratin that Jews were being massacred during WW2



Yeah, that's right...I'd rather not have Assad slaughtering his own people. When did that become bad?
Never said it was bad but getting involved in a sectarian civil war with Islamic extremist elements on the rise is not bueno either and a huge downfall can come about this in Syria if Assad falls as well. And plus no one is sure if the civil war will end if Assad is removed.




We'd have to take a look at a case by case analysis of what you are asking here,
So now its sometimes ok not to get involved in civil wars and massacres? :roll: Thanks for proving my point.
 
100% certain there is a civil war going on in Syria
100% certain that US has supported right wing dictators throughout the world
100% certain that the Bush regime picked and chose what intelegence to feed to the people on Iraq
100% certain that there were no WMDS
100% ceratin that Jews were being massacred during WW2

I thought this thread was about Syria?

Never said it was bad but getting involved in a sectarian civil war with Islamic extremist elements on the rise is not bueno either and a huge downfall can come about this in Syria if Assad falls as well. And plus no one is sure if the civil war will end if Assad is removed.

So you are pro Assad?

So now its sometimes ok not to get involved in civil wars and massacres? Thanks for proving my point.

Didn't say that, that's your straw-dog.
 
You get what you give.

Indeed, I assume you were trying to make an argument but my witty retort left you wanting for words. Go ahead, please say whatever it is that you were gonna say, I'm truly interested.
 
I thought this thread was about Syria?
Well you did make it about the world dont you remember saying this? "What in this world is ever 100%....You may as well say never."



So you are pro Assad?
No i am not i am however viewing this as what can and most likely will happen when Assad falls.


Didn't say that, that's your straw-dog.
"We'd have to take a look at a case by case analysis of what you are asking here, I would venture some yes, some no...We are human after all. "
 
Indeed, I assume you were trying to make an argument but my witty retort left you wanting for words. Go ahead, please say whatever it is that you were gonna say, I'm truly interested.

Don't flatter yourself...There was nothing witty there.
 
Don't flatter yourself...There was nothing witty there.

Very well. What would have been an acceptable answer to your question then?
 
Well you did make it about the world dont you remember saying this? "What in this world is ever 100%....You may as well say never."

So now you are going to start taking figures of speech like "what in the world....." literally? You do realize that is usually the end of rational discussion right?

No i am not i am however viewing this as what can and most likely will happen when Assad falls.

How many will have to die to wait and see if we can prove this 100% to your liking? 100K, 200K, 500K or more? And in attempting to prove something 100% for you to get on board, who says Assad will fall? What is your percentage of certainty on that?

"We'd have to take a look at a case by case analysis of what you are asking here, I would venture some yes, some no...We are human after all. "

Yep, that's what I said...Ah well, too tired for games, so I'll end it here for now....
 
Very well. What would have been an acceptable answer to your question then?


Instead of trying to be snarky with one liners, just try and have a conversation.
 
So now you are going to start taking figures of speech like "what in the world....." literally? You do realize that is usually the end of rational discussion right?
:roll:
If you havent noticed many things in the world and in Syria are 100% sure of.


How many will have to die to wait and see if we can prove this 100% to your liking? 100K, 200K, 500K or more? And in attempting to prove something 100% for you to get on board, who says Assad will fall? What is your percentage of certainty on that?
See here is the deal its a damn shame that this amount of people are dying. I would love to see Assad fall and see a democratic secular government be put into power via a peaceful process. But this will probably not happen, i dont believe the US is the police man of the world and i dont think the US should get involved in a largely sectarian civil war.



Yep, that's what I said...Ah well, too tired for games, so I'll end it here for now....
Alrighty..
 
Instead of trying to be snarky with one liners, just try and have a conversation.

I was, you didn't like my answer so I'm simply asking what kind of answer would be acceptable. The one I gave is obviously not the one you were looking for.
 
What would you say of a man that hides behind women and children?

Well, they did report on the Syrian Rebels using children and school buses to commence attacks? What do you think of those that run around and massacre people just because they are Christian or some other religion? Or that will use children and women to engage into battle with their enemy?

Course while some think it is cowardly. Others have asked.....are there any rules when it comes to war. Especially when it is their own country.
 
I wondered when this silliness would pop up.

It didn't work out well with Iraq, so I would avoid this imperialistic notion of invading countries.

What's the matter, can't you read? He just said he didn't want boots on the ground.
 
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