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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    By now, most news organizations and the Twitter world are debating whether President Obama's endorsement of gay marriage will turn off African-Americans — his most loyal supporters.

    It's a legitimate question because blacks, compared with other groups that make up the Democratic political base, have been the most resistant to an expansion of gay rights.

    Citing deeply held religious objections to homosexuality, African-Americans, many of whom are evangelical Christians, have consistently voted for state bans on gay marriage, most recently in North Carolina on Tuesday. Blacks were credited with (or blamed for) providing the winning margin for the California ban passed in 2008 (which the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled unconstitutional).

    Black Voters Likely To Stick With Obama Despite Gay Marriage Stance : It's All Politics : NPR
    Yep....

    You know why they stick with the progressives? because progressives feed them, cloth them, give them shelter, cell phones etc - all for free... Thats why they vote democrat - they want their free Obama money...

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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    thanks i found what i read earlier too, i was just off by 1%
    Public opinion of same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Support for same-sex marriage in the U.S. [hide]Ethnicity % of U.S. population
    White Americans[63] 50

    Latino Americans[61] 60

    Jewish Americans[60] 81

    Black Americans[62] 59

    All Adults 58

    By religion
    Support for same-sex marriage in the U.S. [hide]Religion % of U.S. population
    No religion 81

    White non-evangelical Protestant 70

    Roman Catholic 59

    White Catholic 58

    Other Christian 52

    Protestant 49

    White evangelical Protestant 31

    All Adults 58

    so it seem the majority of blacks support SSM so grant was wrong, even if there are other polls at best we could say maybe it split
    I don't buy that whatsoever...

    What about the people who just don't care like me???

    There is no such thing as you "support" or "don't support" gay marriage.... Honestly the majority of my friends/family just don't care...

    Also, the issue is more complicated than supporting or not supporting gay marriage. I know people who support gay marriage but would find it highly offensive if gays were affectionate in public.... This issue is just not black and white....

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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    thanks i found what i read earlier too, i was just off by 1%
    Public opinion of same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Support for same-sex marriage in the U.S. [hide]Ethnicity % of U.S. population
    White Americans[63] 50

    Latino Americans[61] 60

    Jewish Americans[60] 81

    Black Americans[62] 59

    All Adults 58

    By religion
    Support for same-sex marriage in the U.S. [hide]Religion % of U.S. population
    No religion 81

    White non-evangelical Protestant 70

    Roman Catholic 59

    White Catholic 58

    Other Christian 52

    Protestant 49

    White evangelical Protestant 31

    All Adults 58

    so it seem the majority of blacks support SSM so grant was wrong, even if there are other polls at best we could say maybe it split
    there are some issues with how they are presenting those numbers:

    1) on african americans, the sourced article notes "The poll also finds that 59 percent of African Americans say they support same-sex marriage, up from an average of 41 percent in polls leading up to Obama’s announcement of his new position on the matter. Though statistically significant, it is a tentative result because of the relatively small sample of black voters in the poll."

    2) they use the percentage of latinos that support same sex unions in place of those who support gay marriage (which is 49%)

    3) and they are culling data from various polls that may be asking different questions

    bad source to base any claims about actual numbers on

    so it seem the majority of blacks support SSM so grant was wrong, even if there are other polls at best we could say maybe it split
    The point was that at one time he was clearly right. Now it seems that may have shifted, but there isn't any clear evidence of such, yet. And the shift that did occur (it certainly moved in a positive direction, we just don't know by how much) seems mostly due to supporting an obama policy, as opposed to support for gay marriage

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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    I agree with Sangha on this one,in other words,do you have a link?
    Some sort of scientific study?

    I've been to Europe numerous times for business and recipe research,and while it's nice,it sure isn't any Utopia.
    How many times have you been there,just curious?
    I don't know why you're asking me that but I've been there twice for a total of 5 weeks, mainly the UK and Italy. I thought I was clear that I wasn't criticizing Europe; I was criticizing some Americans perception of Europe.
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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    1.)I don't buy that whatsoever...

    2.)What about the people who just don't care like me???

    3.)There is no such thing as you "support" or "don't support" gay marriage....
    4.)Honestly the majority of my friends/family just don't care...

    5.)Also, the issue is more complicated than supporting or not supporting gay marriage. I know people who support gay marriage but would find it highly offensive if gays were affectionate in public....
    6.)This issue is just not black and white....
    LMAO
    Ok

    1.) awww its cute you think people care if a poster like you buys it or not
    2.) see 1.) we dont care about you not carring
    3.) you are welcome to the opinion
    4.) weird the majority of my friends and family do care and support equal rights, so what
    5.) whoopty doo LMAO i think its offensive to see ugly people affectionate in public, so what
    6.) did someone say it was?

    your funny
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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    there are some issues with how they are presenting those numbers:

    1) on african americans, the sourced article notes "The poll also finds that 59 percent of African Americans say they support same-sex marriage, up from an average of 41 percent in polls leading up to Obama’s announcement of his new position on the matter. Though statistically significant, it is a tentative result because of the relatively small sample of black voters in the poll."

    2) they use the percentage of latinos that support same sex unions in place of those who support gay marriage (which is 49%)

    3) and they are culling data from various polls that may be asking different questions

    bad source to base any claims about actual numbers on



    The point was that at one time he was clearly right. Now it seems that may have shifted, but there isn't any clear evidence of such, yet. And the shift that did occur (it certainly moved in a positive direction, we just don't know by how much) seems mostly due to supporting an obama policy, as opposed to support for gay marriage
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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    LMAO
    Ok

    1.) awww its cute you think people care if a poster like you buys it or not
    2.) see 1.) we dont care about you not carring
    3.) you are welcome to the opinion
    4.) weird the majority of my friends and family do care and support equal rights, so what
    5.) whoopty doo LMAO i think its offensive to see ugly people affectionate in public, so what
    6.) did someone say it was?

    your funny
    You made no points, not only that but you changed my post then went ahead and spelled "you're" wrong.

    I DON'T CARE, I don't care what the **** people do - yet you call yourself a libertarian and have a difficult time understanding that idea???

    There is no such thing as EQUALITY.... Your argument here would apply to just about anything.. Why should the doctor who works 50 hours a week make more than the dummy who works 50 hours a week scrubbing his toilets??? They both work the same hours so why should one get more than the other??

    Civil unions/gay marriage are a TENTH AMENDMENT ISSUE - EVERY LIBERTARIAN KNOWS THIS...

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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    By now, most news organizations and the Twitter world are debating whether President Obama's endorsement of gay marriage will turn off African-Americans — his most loyal supporters.

    It's a legitimate question because blacks, compared with other groups that make up the Democratic political base, have been the most resistant to an expansion of gay rights.

    Citing deeply held religious objections to homosexuality, African-Americans, many of whom are evangelical Christians, have consistently voted for state bans on gay marriage, most recently in North Carolina on Tuesday. Blacks were credited with (or blamed for) providing the winning margin for the California ban passed in 2008 (which the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled unconstitutional).

    Black Voters Likely To Stick With Obama Despite Gay Marriage Stance : It's All Politics : NPR
    I bet most blacks will never vote for him again
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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    My understanding was that the blacks were opposed to the homosexuals comparing their equal rights and homosexual marriage agenda to the black's historical struggle for civil rights. Yet the homosexual posts on this thread would seem to indicate that homosexuals believe that they are one and the same. Or they don't care what blacks say. Or something.

    Hopefully someone will shed some light on this troubling inconsistency.
    Frankly, I agree with the African Americans on this one.

    The LGBT movement has gone out of its way to make a mountain out of a mole hill with regards to the whole same sex marriage issue from the very beginning. I can understand wanting equal rights, but trying to compare the trivial inconvenience of not being able to technically call an already de facto civil and domestic union "marriage" with the very real horrors of the Segregation, or (God forbid) slavery, is insulting and tasteless in the extreme.

    Homosexuals are not being lynched by the thousands each year. Homosexuals are not being rounded up on trumped up charges and forced to work like slaves on chain gangs. Homosexuals are not having their opportunity to succeed in everyday life hampered by Jim Crow Laws. Homosexuals were not treated as human property for 400 years and often worked to death in the harsh environment of plantation agriculture.

    I'm sorry, but there really simply isn't any valid grounds for comparison here between the plight of the two minority groups in question. African Americans have every right to be offended that so many pundits in the MSM attempt to frame the issue as such.

    Homosexuals make up all of 2-4% of the population in any given nation. A lot of people on the political and cultural Left need to take a step or two back and try to gain at least some degree of perspective on the matter to say the least.
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