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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

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    A high IQ actually serves a purpose. However, I would agree that such individuals are no less anomalous than homosexuals.

    As such, they are not, strictly speaking, "normal" either.



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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Nicely done, I would not have expected anything less.

    That being said…we have differing views, yet…

    1. Noticed the “some”. Some state supreme courts.

    Very little some… almost lonesome. Almost none, comparatively.

    Should, sorry to have to say, stay that way. What gave credibility in the eyes of everyone, EVERYONE, African Americans fought Civil Rights pretty much straight up, proud and righteous, honestly righteous. Those who had never had to take a side, just comfortable, living, lettin be, gettin along, suddenly chanced to see it starkly, for what it was,,, rebelled against that … that thick stinky fertilizer, surface deep but rich soiled there in the South.

    In contrast, the same sex marriage movement....

    Battles in courts, sometimes a legislature, removed from the people, just like France [tangentially] … where there are not the votes for it, it de facto won’t happen. If you try to force, de jure, you often slow it down. People have to accept willingly, people in this country have come miles and miles on the whole Gay issue. But when pushed hard, like by a salesman at a car dealership, we tend to shy in the other direction.
    We’ve been really tolerant, despite conflicting with most’s faith. Should be appreciated, acknowledged, honored.

    There are times to draw lines.

    Enough already

    2. Don’t really keep either eye pealed on Europe I am guessing? Can’t envision the coming Cassandra, cannot see that old locomotive puffing for the wooden bridge, bridge over the deep gash of a mountain pass. Look closer, wooden spars falling away as we watch, bridge collapsing as the train approaches... Europe these days.

    This isn’t about Europe. We can sort of do a real time autopsy before the fact. Your opinion about European society, think its strong? Strong enough? Wasn’t just this current crisis though, unhappily for liberals, its more just plain liberal, too liberal, policy in general. Yes, my opinion, with points, solid. This post is already too long, however.

    Also apropos, the old adage, watch what you ask for, you might just get it. Europe got it, and it is contagious.

    What y’all don’t seem to get is that gay movement has not been a, no pun intended either time, straight on assault as stated previously. Lots of short term termiting, lacing the entire structure upon which we have built a strong nation… done with many hardly even realizing it…just like Europe, starting much earlier, hit much harder.

    2a. A Court case ruling huh? One? What about, what was the rulling…?? see what you did, now I’m on the edge of my seat. Soooo not convincing tho, besides, you had already made some head feints that direction, straw man called.

    3. Yes, I did clarify, you understand the subtlety. Rarely used violence, on occasion, ends the job. Not a big advocate, but when used…hard and fast. Make it hurt so bad others won’t try, unless just stupid suicidal. Dance back Ali like, untouched if possible.

    4. Nearly all the gay culture WAS criminal. See, all those other minority groups you hesitate to support, currently illegal, too. Easily changed, assisted by this, those and many leagues of others. Then unhindered, a now unstoppable force no longer meeting an immovable object…

    Society crumbles, a tide slicing though sand castles.

    5. Stripping away/adding special rights, whichever way necessary for certain groups wanting... whatever. Basis upon which to deny them? After? None. Hey, you gave that to same sex folks, cries of discrimination ring from all sides [and they would be right]… so how legally to stop much of anything after? You won’t be able.

    Society crumble crumble crumbling.

    Interesting thought experiment. If rape were made legal, how long would it be before people stopped struggling against? Let’s say, with just the right backing, or packing, a court or two, or the courts in general, started ruling in their favor, maybe a legislature somewhere or three joined… The national legislature bonded with them, passed the law… but the people were against it… then what?

    Anybody see France in this frame?

    All is uncomfortable even to think about, suffice to say, could come to pass, doubting it ostensibly, sure, seems too repugnant. See, even a similar past. Surely cannot be certain, not at all certain it wouldn’t.


    6. Give ya slack on this one too, cause you are not really incorrect, you were just slinging so parameters were in order.
    7. Sorry, just not the case… but again, its hardly enough to quibble over.
    8. Already dealt with this continued fail…


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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Yes, gay rights advocates have fought for same sex marriage AND civil unions since the 1970s. It wasn't until Lawreence v. Texas that it was even possible to consider same sex marriage as a realistic possibility because of the number of states that had anti sodomy laws. Even though those laws were declared unconstitutional, they are still being repealed state by state today. It is not fair to ague that every gay person or supporter of gay rights had a "marriage or nothing" mentality about it. We are also talking about the span of 1 year, from 2003 to 2004.
    But that wasn't my position in the first place. I was saying that going for the title is what is holding them back from what they say they want - equality. That they could have easily, or not so easily, had equal civil unions by now, at least in many states. But the run for the title has triggered a reaction that has put their whole effort in jeopardy.

    Look, I know the fanciful thinkers here really believe the SCOTUS is going to hand them a victory soon. But as I said to another poster - you're counting your chickens way too early and you may be heartbroken by the actual reality.

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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

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    Annnnnnnd right back on the ignore list with AgentJ he goes.
    Run away young man
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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Funny people on this forum. Funny people indeed.

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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) yes some, the ones that have looked at it in a case
    cant decide before a case :shrug

    1b only if we rewrite history LMOA
    1c.) you are welcome to this opinion

    2.) uhm i dont care about any of that nor does any of it along with your opinions change anything?
    straight marriage is still legal and nobody is tryign to stop it lol

    im not sure what any of it even meant in correlation, are you drinking? and NO im not trying to insult you or be a smart ass, i was being serious in a funny way because i ahev no clue what this rant was about

    2a. no not just one a couple thats how gay marriage as already been established in some states
    no straw man facts

    3.) i understand and i would support some violence in some case, not against equality though

    4.) gay culture now? what are you referring to, please qoute these laws in the US that made gay culture illegal LOL
    and like i said it is not illegal now not does it involve a victim

    trying to equate gay marriage with child rapist is silly

    5.) but again gay marriage doesnt strip away rights it grants them, your examples would strip them away so they are illogical anologies.

    6.) society crumbling is your opinion, many feel equal rights strengthens it

    7.) again that takes rights away, its doesnt just grant them so again the example is a failure as they are not the same lol

    8.) i know im not incorrect you were lol
    9.) its 100% the case as my post proves would you like to read it again
    10.) weird you call it a fail when its true, justices disagree with you LMAO you lost


    anyway, what are you drinking? anything good or unique?
    1. You may not know this... or are forgetting, 31 states have already adopted same sex ban amendments, so the judges cannot really do much about it if a case did come up, well, except decide against it, I suppose.

    1b. Don't know your CR history either, that is wow worthy.

    1c. I think it beyond only my opinion but well within the realm of plausibility ....right up to probably.

    2. Need to sharpen the blade on your research tool, dig a bit deeper there, all that means something, means not being completely blind going into the future, seeing where the rocks and obstacles coming up, seeing how the ones that are going before us are doing [ not so well ]. Thankfully you only have the majority in the Senate and executive office... we have the House and 30 governorships... we will be able to hold all that off until we get the others back. So you can ignore it, pretend its not happening...

    And you don't have to keep chanting that mantra, "straight marriage is still legal, blah blah blah, straight marriage is....

    Oh, and if you mention a court ruling, please how about some clue as to what you are talking about, what it said, why it should have some bearing on the conversation.

    4. I am sure if you just make some discreet inquiries about how gay people were treated and why it was wise to stay hidden, they will let you in on all the dark little secrets. Such feebleness regarding defense of it now being legal... if you are intellectually honest, you know.
    straw man--- Nobody is equating, you say that to shift attention away from the real problem, it doesn't matter what you think now, it was different then and it was criminal, but very similar for the gay community and general impressions.

    5. Hardly, what I am saying it that everybody else will want these same special rights. At the moment all is completely equal in the vast majority of states, I cannot marry another man, a woman cannot marry another woman, nobody can marry under a certain age, if I wanted to I cannot marry my sister, a gay cannot marry his sister or brother, nor can I....we have the exact same rights and restrictions right now. I can marry only within certain boundaries, the same as everyone else. The exact same for each in each state, except about 6 states grant special rights to same sex couples.

    6. Yep. Already dismantled the equal stuff, so you would have to dismantle my dismantling to be anywhere near credible at this point.

    7. You see, analogies are not supposed to be the exact same, they are analogies, similar, gets the point across [ to most] and its the principle we are digging at. Either get it or you don't, I am just presenting it for those actually looking for the right answers. Explain exactly which rights are being taken away?

    8. I wasn't incorrect either, you were bandying about the word uneducated, I informed you of my education and then educated you on the topic.

    9. Ill let you make the case if you think you can beat me, have at it....prove how its 100% the case.

    10. I know enough history to know the justices are not always right. Either they were in Plessy v Ferguson or in Brown v Board.... but not both, so they are proven to be wrong... and what was the decision you are talking about anyhow, Again, if you are going to use a court ruling you have to at least say what the ruling is.... can't just say they ruled and....I won..... that't not how it works....

    good tries tho...

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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    But that wasn't my position in the first place. I was saying that going for the title is what is holding them back from what they say they want - equality. That they could have easily, or not so easily, had equal civil unions by now, at least in many states. But the run for the title has triggered a reaction that has put their whole effort in jeopardy.

    Look, I know the fanciful thinkers here really believe the SCOTUS is going to hand them a victory soon. But as I said to another poster - you're counting your chickens way too early and you may be heartbroken by the actual reality.
    So you think civil unions would have been legal in Texas by now? Which of the 20 states do you think this would be the case? Support for SSM has gone way up despite your warnings that it has backfired. The only change I've noticed since the court case is like 2% went from indifferent to against in polls. Who cares?

    Also, please explain how civil unions, even if DOMA is struck down, will grant the same 1000 rights reserved for married couples. No joint tax return, as in France no adoption in most states, power of attorney needed for hospital visitation, joint benefits in my state are for *married couples only and the civil union couples do NOT get them*...You get the point I hope.

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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Riots be damned good job France!
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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    The rioters are on the wrong side of history.

    Were it not for cameras, most of them would be able--in future, when homosexuality is considered a non-issue--to deny they were ever opposed!

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