What dodges. I make absolutely sure to quote everything you write and response accordingly. The fact that you can't refute what I say is not a dodge.
You're doing that personal attack thing again. That doesn't interest me. Marriage is doing just fine without trivial marriages like gay marriage and roller coaster marriage.
I'm perfectly comfortable knowing that you are losing this debate. You are engaging in ad hominem personal attacks and shamelessly using the bigot card.
:lol:
Your anger is showing :lol:
Of course the issue is the definition of marriage. You want to make it about something else because you will not win that debate.
Gay "Marriage" is trivial and pointless. It does nothing to improve on the institution of marriage and offers no social or economic benefit to society. Gay people emotionally want something. It's selfish. They should create their own institution of unions and leave marriage alone.
This is a political message board where junkies hang out. Nobody's mind is going to be changed.
People are easily swayed by emotional arguments. It is true. A lot of people have sat by though for a number of years and allowed Hollywood propaganda and indoctrination in our schools to shape young stupid minds. That can change.
Both are exclusive institutions. So yes, it is a valid comparison
Laughably pathetic hyperbole. Par for the course.
Treated by people like me? I'm not a Democrat like George Wallace that blocked the entrance to schools. Being gay is not a race. There is no biological evidence that there is a gay gene, though scientists keep trying. There have been homosexuals who have become straight. You have any evidence that a black man has ever become white besides Michael Jackson? :lol: The case can be made that homosexuality is a psychological disorder and in fact it was classified as such within the DSM criteria until the mid 70s. It was only removed for political reasons. Not scientific ones.
You know what Bronson,screw all this.
I'm not the least bit interested in winning a debate here with you.
I'm interested in promoting and protecting my daughters happiness,and making lots of money.
I'm a chef,and if you want me to cater to your ego,you have to pay me for that.
You want to talk about the "definition of marriage",here is my definition.
The first couple of years were crazy for Selena and me when we got first got married.Both her and my three daughters had to adjust to each other.I was busy trying to get my company of the ground.My wife's a doctor,so both our schedules were busy and hectic.But we always found time to spend with one another and the kids. We always set a side a family day (and a romantic night) every week.We like old movies,dancing to big band swing,and me and her do a killer karaoke version of "Baby It's Cold Outside".We meet for lunch whenever we can.
My wife is a great doctor,but was lousy cook back then.Suffice it to say,I made most of the family meals (not a big deal,I'm a chef).
Me and Selena are opposites in so may ways,yet so similar in quite a number.She's athletic, I'm not.She's tall,I'm not.She's beautiful looking,I'm just average.
The fight we had the first time I saw her credit card bill was epic.Lots of shouting,slamming of doors,and me sleeping in the guest house for 3 days.
But the make up sex was worth it.
We bickered about money,where to go on vacation,how to discipline the girls,what schools to send them.
Med and Selena have gone through the good times and the bad together.From trying to get the girls to school on time,and picking them up from school.
To the fire that almost wiped out my first restaurant.And the first time she lost a patient on the operating table.We stood by one another
We've dealt with dance recitals,and softball league.
Through the first daughter hitting puberty,and discovering boys.
Then the second going through puberty,and her rebellious heavy metal phase.
By the third daughter we weren't even shocked when she come out at 16. Didn't bother us one bit. After what we went through with the other two,homosexuality was a relief.
To the oldest daughter leaving for college.Then the second.Me and Selena went through it together.
Through my first daughters wedding and the birth of our twin grandchildren.and now finally the youngest.That hit Selena the hardest.The empty nest syndrome.We went through it together.
Now we have more time for one another.Even after all these years,I'm still falling in love with her.Just today,when she got off shift,she goes to the kitchen,sits on the counter,lets me use her as a guinea pig for the rabbit gravy I'm working on (she thinks it need a little more kick),and tells me about her day while I'm chopping veggies and Sam Cook is playing on the radio.
We danced to "You Send Me",and I wished that moment with her would never end.
Our's is not a perfect marriage,but it is a good one.
That is my definition of marriage.Speaking of it from a personal perspective,because that is what any of us can really only do.
How others may define their marriage is their concern,not mine.
My concern is getting people who want to get married to have their wedding at my banquet halls,using my catering company,eating my food,going to my restaurants.
Gay or straight,weddings are my business.
Money talks,and bullcrap walks.
Why would I want to deny what me and Selena have any of my children.The happiness I've have with Selena is something I wish everyone can have.If my daughter wants to marry a woman,I'll do the catering.Gays wanting to marry each other,it's no skin off Selena and my backs.
In all honesty,Bronson,I couldn't care less about debating you on this issue.
Because I've already won.
SSM being allowed across the country is inevitable,whether anyone here like it or not.
I live in a state that already allows gay marriages.
I couldn't care less if you think my daughter's marrying a woman is a sham,trivial,or a pretend marriage.Your opinions are absolutely irrelevant that particular subject.She's going to marry who she want, and there's nothing you can do to stop that.
Gay marriages are not going to end the world. Anybody who is somehow effected by gay people marrying,well it sucks to be them.
None of my concern if it offends them.
I couldn't care less about your definition of marriage.I have my own,and if you have an objection to that,tough.
I don't have to accept yours,you don't have to accept mine.
Let others judge the merits of our debate for themselves.
I have very close friends who are gay,and I've seen gay married couples for years.I and Selena have gone to Lake Tahoe and Hawaii with Ethan and Phil.They say they are married,and I have no problem with that.Had them over for dinner last week.Phil and Selena play tennis together.Gays getting married doesn't bother me and Selena.Why should it bother anyone else?
If your anyone else have a problem with gays getting married,using the word marriage,or whatever that,that is none of my concern.
Couldn't care less if you do.It doesn't diminish what me and Selena have.
If anyone's marriage is trivialized,or diminished because gays are getting married,or using the word marriage,may I suggest they go see a marriage councilor.
What I want my gay daughter to have.A great marriage.
My daughter wants to be married to the woman she loves.
If that is being selfish,if that is being emotional,so be it.
It is what it is.She's the one who has to live her life,not anyone else.
As long as she's happy,I'm happy.
I'll do whatever I have to to see she stays that way.
That's what parents do.
I'm in the catering business,so weddings,gay and straight, make me a lot of money.
There nothing wrong with making an honest buck.
If SSM goes nation wide,I'm planning on expanding my operations and hopefully make a profit from it.
I'm not the only one in the culinary industry with that type of ambition.
We are talking millions of dollars in potential revenue.
Of course my anger is showing.People trying to prevent gay people from getting married,from even using the word marriage really piss me off.
Trying to convince others not to let them get "married".
Doesn't seem fair to me.
I've always been the type to speak out against unfairness.
To me,love trumps tradition any day.
More and more people,just like me, are doing the same thing.Speaking out.Everyday,ordinary people.
You (and other like you,Bronson), are using fear and logic to persuade others that gay marriage is wrong.
I'm using love and emotion to persuade others that it isn't.
Time and History will judge which one of us has ultimately won this debate between you and me,Bronson.
And that's all I really have to say about the definition of marriage.