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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Oh please, get off your high horse. "Traditional family' is just a buzz word social conservatives throw around to try to add emotional appeal to their arguments. It hasn't worked before, and It won't work now.
    Traditional family is another way of recognizing or admitting that the institution of "family" exists, has for millennia, and some of us prefer it. If it has emotional content to you, that's your reaction to historical facts with which you don't agree. You're free to disagree, but don't put your shoe on my foot.

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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Traditional family is another way of recognizing or admitting that the institution of "family" exists, has for millennia, and some of us prefer it. If it has emotional content to you, that's your reaction to historical facts with which you don't agree. You're free to disagree, but don't put your shoe on my foot.
    Family isn't even the target. The only purpose is so they can slap on an emotional appeal like 'traditional' onto something everyone can relate to. It has nothing to do with attacks on the family. It's a ****ty debate tactic.
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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    hmmmm morons and bigots protesting equality, oh well, if they earn themselves a smack in the head its their own fault.

    you know how the majority of us all laugh at how stupid people looked fighting against equal rights for minorities? this will be the same in the future.
    A bit tough language there, isn't it? Morons and bigots? I mean besides the fact that they are using violence, which admittedly is not overly smart but does attract attention, advertises their position in the situation.

    Maybe they are not fighting against equal rights for minorities. Maybe they are more fighting for preservation what they feel is best for their culture/society. They do have that right as citizens don't they, especially if they feel they are being ignored, bypassed?


    But tell me, there are all sorts of minorities, they run the full gamut. Do you not as a free individual, and here in America we are allowed to peacefully assemble together [ I think all sane people are generally against violence as is being displayed in France ] with others as well , have a right to be for or against anything that you please? And do not a free people have the right to protest what they perceive as ultimately leading to the destruction of their society, a society they love?

    By the way, here are a couple of minority groups, how many would you support and possibly march for?

    Let's see, well there are always the child abusers... they are a minority [ I am hoping ], aren't they...I mean, you wouldn't want to be a bigot, or called one, for not supporting them would you? Shouldn't they be able to "date" anyone they want? Would you support their march? How about a minority of serial killers?

    People do get to draw their own line, don't they...? ... where they want to draw the line, not what their peers can pressure them into...right?

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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Post your example from this thread where someone on the other side of the issue stated the equivalent of calling you a bigot or any other name.
    So it's really all about the "wah,wah wah,teacher ,teacher,Johnny called me a name,wah,wah wah"?
    How about I post all the times people tried to compare homosexuality to pedophilia and bestiality?
    Seems to me being linked to that is worse than being called a "bigot".

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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Traditional family is another way of recognizing or admitting that the institution of "family" exists, has for millennia, and some of us prefer it. If it has emotional content to you, that's your reaction to historical facts with which you don't agree. You're free to disagree, but don't put your shoe on my foot.
    Is anyone trying to physically prevent you from having a "traditional family"?

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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Family isn't even the target. The only purpose is so they can slap on an emotional appeal like 'traditional' onto something everyone can relate to. It has nothing to do with attacks on the family. It's a ****ty debate tactic.
    Ah, but it does have everything to do with the family. I have no bone to chew with the gay community. I do see the child-rearing element as problematic, and it has nothing to do with "tradition". That, to me, is a poor description of the values attached to family. An appeal to tradition may be a debate tactic - I don't know - but I do know that the child rearing element needs to be more fully studied before I'll endorse it.

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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    1.)Gay Marriage is not a Civil Right

    2.)Gay Marriage is not real marriage

    It never will be
    1,) opinion you are welcome too
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    also feel free to keep these opinions after gay marriage is legal :Shrug:
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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Schumm (The guy who made the study) used a meta-analysis of existing data from 10 books on gay parenting. That's an 11th grade reading assignment. Not to mention he skewed his data so that only self-identified gay and lesbian children would be labeled as such.


    Which means that he actually tried to skew the data is such a way which would give homosexual parents the benefit of the doubt.

    Even with these measures, there was still a significant positive correlation between homosexual parentage and latent homosexuality later in life.

    The conclusion supported by the data is clear. Homosexual parents have a tendency to raise homosexual children.

    Wow.

    What harm would it do?
    I'm sorry, but are we in the business of trying to multiply sexual deviancy here? Is that our society's goal now? wtf.gif

    I thought the goal here was to grant homosexuals "equal rights," not to provide them with the means to indoctrinate and recruit impressionable children into their lifestyle.

    I must have missed the memo.

    Considering the problems the West is already having with maintaining current population levels, the very last thing we need right now is to promote deviant lifestyles which effectively transform productive heterosexuals into objectively useless genetic mules.

    Mea cupla, it was a typo. I mean't to write 'data', not date.
    Lower income households in most US minority cultures are built around a three generation model.

    These same households are the one's most likely to experience single parenthood.

    I am not denying anything. I am pointing out that humans are an adaptable species, and as such are capable of taking on roles that are outside there biological 'norms'.
    And being objectively terrible at them.

    You seem so certain. Mind posting a link that proves your point?

    You have not. What you have given me is vague talking points and no real rationale for your view.
    I already demonstrated that homosexual parents have a tendency to raise "abnormal" children.

    Just fine? What the ****? We didn't abolish slavery until the 1860's, and it took another hundred years to end segregation. Women didn't get the right to vote until less than a century ago. How the hell is that "just fin"?
    Slavery is not a "traditional value," and neither is racial segregation.

    Women having the right to vote has proven itself to be valuable to society as a whole.

    And I have posted data that disproves your second point. Do you want me to re-link it?
    Your sources prove absolutely nothing. Again, a mere generation's worth of data from an extremely limited sample (a significant portion of which turned out to be gay, incidentally) doesn't conclusively demonstrate anything.

    Are you honestly comparing drug addicts and cultists to a gay couple? seriously?
    Why shouldn't the cultists be allowed to raise children given your argument? Why wouldn't their belief system count as a valid "alternate lifestyle?"

    Oh please, get off your high horse. "Traditional family' is just a buzz word social conservatives throw around to try to add emotional appeal to their arguments. It hasn't worked before, and It won't work now.
    And you know what? History has proven us right time and again.

    Every time traditional values and morality have been ignored in favor of modern hedonistic sensibilities, society as a whole has suffered for it. STDs, teenage pregnancies, and single parenthood have all absolutely exploded since the onset of the so called "sexual revolution," and they have all wound up costing tax payers untold billions in the process.

    Hurray for Leftist social engineering!
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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    and you will always be free to have that OPINION, even once equal rights is granted
    One would surely hope so, one would hope ANY OPINION, would hate to give up that right just so somebody could have the illusion of equality.

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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Ah, but it does have everything to do with the family. I have no bone to chew with the gay community. I do see the child-rearing element as problematic, and it has nothing to do with "tradition". That, to me, is a poor description of the values attached to family. An appeal to tradition may be a debate tactic - I don't know - but I do know that the child rearing element needs to be more fully studied before I'll endorse it.
    I can link you several studies that prove that gays can raise children as effectively as straights, if you are interested.
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