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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Oh c'mon let's be real here, this is France, they riot over coffee shortages. They're ENTITLED to riot.

    That said, do the rioters have a legitimate beef? If it's a minority government pushing therough something that goes against the majority of the people, you betcha they do. France is a bit more on the straight democracy side than the US.
    Yeah, the govt coming in and forcing a view point is a sure fire way to energize an opposition. Even Ginsberg is highly critical of RvsW for how it seemed unnecessary (the states were already moving towards legalization), energized resistance to it, and was based on shaky legal reasoning

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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    But, civil unions DON'T grant the same rights as marriages.
    So why not go for that, civil unions granted the same rights and avoid the whole marriage issue?

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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    But, civil unions DON'T grant the same rights as marriages.
    They could be amended to do so. However, this has never been what the LGBT lobby has pushed for.

    They want "marriage," and won't stand for anything less.

    I can just about guarantee you that the issue wouldn't be anywhere near the ****storm it is today if homosexuals had simply used the former tactic. Again, the fact of the matter is that they won't use such non-confrontational means precisely because "equal rights" aren't what they're really after.

    They want recognition and validation from society at large.

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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    They could be amended to do so. However, this has never been what the LGBT lobby has pushed for.

    2.)They want "marriage," and won't stand for anything less.

    3.)I can just about guarantee you that the issue wouldn't be anywhere near the ****storm it is today if homosexuals had used the former tactic.
    4.)Again, the fact of the matter is that they won't use such non-confrontational means precisely because "equal rights" aren't really what they're after.

    5.)They want recognition and validation from society at large.
    1.) because separate but equal isnt not equal, Why would they fight for non-equal rights that stupid and illogical LOL
    2.) translation, they want EQUALITY
    3.) you maybe right, im sure the "****storm" would have been less if woman and minorities chose to NOT fight for equal rights too LOL that just dumb
    4.) everytime you call this a fat you fail 100% but pleae continue to be dishonest lol
    the real fact is they want marriage because thats the ONLY way to achieve equality, any honest person can see this

    5.) im sure some do just like minorities and woman before them but that doesnt change the fact that marriage is the only way to achieve equality on the MARRIAGE issue LOL
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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    So why not go for that, civil unions granted the same rights and avoid the whole marriage issue?
    The definition of "marriage" needs to be changed. Plain as that.

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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    So why not go for that, civil unions granted the same rights and avoid the whole marriage issue?
    go for what? civil unions are not equal and they cant be made equal
    separate but equal is not equal history already proves this
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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) because separate but equal isnt not equal, Why would they fight for non-equal rights that stupid and illogical LOL
    actually, until quote recently, I think the advocacy did focus on civil unions. But once it was seen that they could likely garner the support for marriage, they moved on to that.

    Not that I blame that, politics naturally calls for politically calculating

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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    They could be amended to do so. However, this has never been what the LGBT lobby has pushed for.

    They want "marriage," and won't stand for anything less.

    I can just about guarantee you that the issue wouldn't be anywhere near the ****storm it is today if homosexuals had simply used the former tactic. Again, the fact of the matter is that they won't use such non-confrontational means precisely because "equal rights" aren't what they're really after.

    They want recognition and validation from society at large.
    You need to be reminded that it was the Right which, when faced with the reality that mass murder was no longer feasible, bludgeoned gay people into establishing mock straight relationships in the first place...............Before 1980 "gay marriage" was unheard of.......................

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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    actually, until quote recently, I think the advocacy did focus on civil unions. But once it was seen that they could likely garner the support for marriage, they moved on to that.

    Not that I blame that, politics naturally calls for politically calculating
    yes there was and is movements for both civil unions and domestic partnership because at least its something and those were stepping stones when in some case equality was met with such bigotry and or resistance and disdain. So some took what they could get and want what they could get. (still true of some)

    but the end game is equality as it should be
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    Re: Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    go for what? civil unions are not equal and they cant be made equal
    separate but equal is not equal history already proves this
    Why in the world do you think that? How is it that they cannot be made equal? We're talking in a strictly legal sense here you understand that, right? You cannot successfully legislate social acceptance. Even if we could, that's a very dangerous path to follow.

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