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99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

Lord of Planar said:
I suppose then, you would be OK with China shipping over a billion of their people to our shores, if we opened the gates.
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Sure, why not? If the Chinese want to work hard and build a better society than fat lazy government-owes-me-everything Americans then that's fine. Encourage immigration, end all government welfare.
 
Knowledge=power said:
Sadly, much of them are day laborers. They gather on the side of the road and wait for people to pick them up to paint a house or do yardwork or build something for an abysmal wage. I've personally seen 100-150 on one street waiting. Law enforcement should be more vigilant.
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Meanwhile, fat lazy Americans are demanding a free paycheck from the government.

You tell me which peoples are more consistent with the Founders ethics?
 
Quik said:
Nope. The actions of one church do not speak for all churches, sorry try again!
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Then i guess there are a lot of christian churches in the US that are not "REAL" christian.
 
Quik said:
"Let's divert other wasteful spending into this wasteful spending." Sorry, all wasteful big government programs are the same to me, I don't make exceptions.
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Suring up our border is wasteful??? I'm glad you have no say in government spending.

Quik said:
Wrong, a better way would be to legalize the immigration process and make it easier to get here, as we did when the Irish and Germans came. It's the most efficient solution.
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Legalize the immigration process?

It is legal... and I've already stated that it should be improved. Even with improvements, you will not stop people from getting into this country illegally without some form of physical barrier.
 
Quik said:
Meanwhile, fat lazy Americans are demanding a free paycheck from the government.

You tell me which peoples are more consistent with the Founders ethics?
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I agree with you. I think there should be a screening before people recieve benefits to ensure the right people get them. I do not condone collecting a check and not contributing. Though some illegal immigrants may deserve a job over a fat lazy American, they aren't Americans. There is a legal way to become a citizen. We have already agreed it needs to be improved.
 
Knowledge=power said:
Suring up our border is wasteful??? I'm glad you have no say in government spending.
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Very wasteful. If I had a say in government spending it would be zero.

knowledge=power said:
Legalize the immigration process?

It is legal... and I've already stated that it should be improved. Even with improvements, you will not stop people from getting into this country illegally without some form of physical barrier.
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Well then it shouldn't be illegal to get into the country!
 
Knowledge=power said:
I agree with you. I think there should be a screening before people recieve benefits to ensure the right people get them. I do not condone collecting a check and not contributing. Though some illegal immigrants may deserve a job over a fat lazy American, they aren't Americans. There is a legal way to become a citizen. We have already agreed it needs to be improved.
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The "legal way" should be to step foot on US soil, as it is in the case of Cubans.
 
Quik said:
The "legal way" should be to step foot on US soil, as it is in the case of Cubans.
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This is so unreaslistic I'm having trouble not accusing you of sarcasm.
 
Knowledge=power said:
Ridiculous and unrealistic.
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Not ridiculous but yes very unrealistic. As a compromise, I'd start with all the wasteful spending, like this wall that you are proposing for example.

knowledge=power said:
It's not! There is a process!
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And it's a stupid process. Just legalize freedom and let people live where they want to live.

knowledge=power said:
This is so unreaslistic I'm having trouble not accusing you of sarcasm.
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Why is it unrealistic? Just ban all welfare programs and it would be fine.
 
Quik said:
Not ridiculous but yes very unrealistic. As a compromise, I'd start with all the wasteful spending, like this wall that you are proposing for example.
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Unfortunately, not everyone has such a utopian worldview. There will always be necessary evils. Walls aren't cool, but they are necessary.


Quik said:
And it's a stupid process. Just legalize freedom and let people live where they want to live.
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I wish it were that simple. Again, people are not all like you. Some people would take advantage of that utopia.


Quik said:
Why is it unrealistic? Just ban all welfare programs and it would be fine.
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Give me an honest picture of what the country would look like if we were to do so. Please.
 
Knowledge=power said:
Unfortunately, not everyone has such a utopian worldview. There will always be necessary evils. Walls aren't cool, but they are necessary.
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This wall of yours is about as "necessary" as free cell phones.

knowledge=power said:
I wish it were that simple. Again, people are not all like you. Some people would take advantage of that utopia.
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Indeed, most people would take advantage of the opportunity to live in America under a free society. Why wouldn't they?

knowledge=power said:
Give me an honest picture of what the country would look like if we were to do so. Please.
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We'd have a free and prosperous society. What are you asking specifically, what skin color would the population be? Not important. What language would the population speak? Not important. What flags would they be flying? Not important.

Freedom is important. Cultural characteristics are not.
 
The Prof said:
99.5% of illegal immigrants get approval for legal status - Washington Times

dhs points to 98.2% in march---as if that's comforting

98% of applicants have no criminal record and have either graduated high school or served in the military?

very impressive

only 1377 formerly illegal aliens out of 268316 applicants busted out

are our undocumented neighbors and friends required to demonstrate no public charge before they are given legal status?

should they be?
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The U.S. Government have already admitted that during the 1986 amnesty that 1/3 of those who were awarded amnesty fraudulently gained amnesty. Researchers believe the numbers to be closer to 50 %

During the first four years of the Clinton administration it was discovered the back ground checks for those legal aliens who were applying for naturalization weren't being conducted by the FBI and it was found that 10 % of those immigrants who were naturalized during that time were convicted felons. That was one of the things Kenneth Star was suppose to be investigating instead of a cum stain on a dress.

Since it is acknowledged that the Obama administration is the most incompetent administration in history, it doesn't surprise me that 98.2 % of these illegal aliens have been awarded amnesty.
 
Lord of Planar said:
And what's wrong with that? We already have too many people on government assistance Now if you wish to sponsor a poor immigrant, and pay his way, have at it. Put your money where your mouth is. Not tax payer money.

Keep in mind also. Every job an illegal takes in one less job for a citizen or legal immigrant to take. If employers cannot find people at the wages they offer, they will simply have to raise their wages. We could also mandate that citizens on public assistance who are able bodied workers take these jobs, else lose or get reduced assistance. I prefer the supply and demand approach however.
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Umm...I really think that you should re-read what I said and what I was responding to. I'm against any sort of amnesty for illegal aliens.
 
Quik said:
Sure, why not? If the Chinese want to work hard and build a better society than fat lazy government-owes-me-everything Americans then that's fine. Encourage immigration, end all government welfare.
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If we end all welfare type programs, then I'm with you... to a point. The problem is, these illegals come in, as day laborers, contract their services and pay no taxes. Then their wives claim social benefits for them and their kids, and live off our tax dollars as well.

We need to put an end to this.
 
Quik said:
This wall of yours is about as "necessary" as free cell phones.
Indeed, most people would take advantage of the opportunity to live in America under a free society. Why wouldn't they?
We'd have a free and prosperous society. What are you asking specifically, what skin color would the population be? Not important. What language would the population speak? Not important. What flags would they be flying? Not important.
Freedom is important. Cultural characteristics are not.
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Hey,
Actually a lot of immigrants, don't look for "freedom", they look for better financial opportunities for themselves and their families.

Your last statement proposes imo that US as a country should cease to exist?...no flag, language, no other cultural and historical attributes e.g...such as the US constitution?
If not, how it would still exist as a country?

Cheers,
Fallen.
 
Quik said:
This wall of yours is about as "necessary" as free cell phones.



Indeed, most people would take advantage of the opportunity to live in America under a free society. Why wouldn't they?



We'd have a free and prosperous society. What are you asking specifically, what skin color would the population be? Not important. What language would the population speak? Not important. What flags would they be flying? Not important.

Freedom is important. Cultural characteristics are not.
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Many people want all of that, but it is not realistic.
 
Fallenangel said:
Hey,
Actually a lot of immigrants, don't look for "freedom", they look for better financial opportunities for themselves and their families.

Your last statement proposes imo that US as a country should cease to exist?...no flag, language, no other cultural and historical attributes e.g...such as the US constitution?
If not, how it would still exist as a country?

Cheers,
Fallen.
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That's a totally different story, but yeah I'm an anarchist of the Rothbard tradition if it matters.

The nation could still be a nation without speaking English. Those kinds of cultural characteristics are not important. What matters is the dedication to the principles of liberty.
 
Quik said:
That's a totally different story, but yeah I'm an anarchist of the Rothbard tradition if it matters.
The nation could still be a nation without speaking English. Those kinds of cultural characteristics are not important. What matters is the dedication to the principles of liberty.
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So you would have groups of people with absolutely different cultural backgrounds and history, having different traditions, with different languages, different views on what "liberty" is, different religious/non religious beliefs and background...living on the same land, and you would call that a nation?!?

Cheers,
Fallen.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I don't get this. The requirements for approval are the same no matter what...why does it take longer to deny than to approve?...
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Did you even read the link?

A Homeland Security official said the denials will tick up as time passes. Those whom the department plans to reject are given time to submit more evidence or appeal their denial, while approvals go through immediately.
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Explanations right in there, on the second page.

In either case this whole thing is just another example of how Obama doesn't give a crap about our laws and our system.
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Why do conservatives spend so much time getting whipped up over things they IMAGINE Obama doing, not what he actually does?
 
Fallenangel said:
So you would have groups of people with absolutely different cultural backgrounds and history, having different traditions, with different languages, different views on what "liberty" is, different religious/non religious beliefs and background...living on the same land, and you would call that a nation?!?

Cheers,
Fallen.
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Yep, so long as they respected the principle of liberty I'd be fine with it.
 
babilfish said:
Why do conservatives spend so much time getting whipped up over things they IMAGINE Obama doing, not what he actually does?
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1: I'm not a conservative. Just because someone doesn't like Obama does not automatically make them conservative. Believe it or not quite a few Independents think Obama sucks. I've even seen a few liberals admit that they regret voting for him.

2: He did sign an executive order that is allowing this did he not? Totally ignoring our current immigration laws. Indeed none of what's happening in that article would even be happening without that EO.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I'm not a conservative...
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Well, you were bitching like one, so you'll have to excuse me for mistaking your political affiliation right at that moment.
 
babilfish said:
Well, you were bitching like one, so you'll have to excuse me for mistaking your political affiliation right at that moment.
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Don't worry, I excuse partisan hackery all the time. ;) And I wasn't b******* at all. I was stating a fact. Or are you denying that Obama made the EO that is allowing these illegals all this? You sure seemed to be trying to in your last post....
 
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