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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    Actually, I was taking issue with you stating (as I put in quotes earlier) that Obama "doesn't give a crap about our laws or system".

    I haven't heard anything to suggest that DACA is illegal in anyway, or that Executive Orders are illegal.

    Explain.
    Where did I say that what he did was illegal? I said, as you quoted, that he is ignoring our laws. That is a fact since in order to make that EO he had to ignore current immigration laws.
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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    Actually, I was taking issue with you stating (as I put in quotes earlier) that Obama "doesn't give a crap about our laws or system".

    I haven't heard anything to suggest that DACA is illegal in anyway, or that Executive Orders are illegal.

    Explain.
    Executive orders cannot trump public laws. they are limited in scope. I believe they can exempt the executive branch from laws passed, but not the laws that pertain to the public.

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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Where did I say that what he did was illegal? I said, as you quoted, that he is ignoring our laws...
    ...Which is to say, he has done something illegal.

    To ignore the law is to do something illegal. To act in concert with it is to do something legal.

    By saying he "doesn't give a crap about our laws or our system" is to say he acts parallel to them (illegally), doing what he likes without paying any attention to the legality of his acts.

    Don't back down after saying such bold things, stand by your words.

    That is a fact since in order to make that EO he had to ignore current immigration laws.
    Which would be illegal.

    So then, getting back to the point, show how Obama has done something illegal regarding DACA.

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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    ...Which is to say, he has done something illegal.

    To ignore the law is to do something illegal. To act in concert with it is to do something legal.

    By saying he "doesn't give a crap about our laws or our system" is to say he acts parallel to them (illegally), doing what he likes without paying any attention to the legality of his acts.

    Don't back down after saying such bold things, stand by your words.



    Which would be illegal.

    So then, getting back to the point, show how Obama has done something illegal regarding DACA.
    Wrong. The President has this little ability that he can legally use to bypass and ignore laws called Executive Orders. So yeah, I never said that he ignored our laws illegally.
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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Wrong. The President has this little ability that he can legally use to bypass and ignore laws called Executive Orders. So yeah, I never said that he ignored our laws illegally.
    If an Executive Order bypasses or ignores the law, then it is illegal.

    Either Obama is ignoring the law (i.e. doing something illegal) or he is acting within his legal bounds, and thus your statement earlier is wrong.

    Pick one.

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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    I mean, it was a bold statement, to say Obama doesn't give a crap about our laws or our system.

    The type of statement that needs evidence to back it up. Show that evidence, or concede the point: You were talking out of your ass earlier.

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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    If an Executive Order bypasses or ignores the law, then it is illegal.

    Either Obama is ignoring the law (i.e. doing something illegal) or he is acting within his legal bounds, and thus your statement earlier is wrong.

    Pick one.
    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    I mean, it was a bold statement, to say Obama doesn't give a crap about our laws or our system.

    The type of statement that needs evidence to back it up. Show that evidence, or concede the point: You were talking out of your ass earlier.
    Current immigration law as passed by Congress and signed by previous Presidents state that if you are illegally in the US and caught then you are to be deported. That is a Fact. That law is still in effect today. It makes no difference whether the illegal in question came here on their own two feet or if they were brought here at a young age, they are to be detained and deported. That is a fact. Obama's Executive Order ordered that anyone that was brought into the US at a young age and is still here illegally may not be deported but can instead apply for a green card. That is a fact. It is also a fact that it is in DIRECT contradiction to our congress passed, President signed, CURRENT immigration law. As President he is obviously allowed to do this via an Executive Order.

    Do you deny that Obama's Executive Order is in direct contradiction to our current immigration law? Yes? No?
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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Was the Emancipation Proclamation contrary to existing law?
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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Was the Emancipation Proclamation contrary to existing law?
    Yes it was. Are you trying to draw a parallel to the freeing of involuntary slaves to those that come here illegally of their own volition?
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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes it was. Are you trying to draw a parallel to the freeing of involuntary slaves to those that come here illegally of their own volition?
    just pointing out that an executive order that is contrary to existing law may necessarily be a bad decision.
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