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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    Not ridiculous but yes very unrealistic. As a compromise, I'd start with all the wasteful spending, like this wall that you are proposing for example.
    Unfortunately, not everyone has such a utopian worldview. There will always be necessary evils. Walls aren't cool, but they are necessary.


    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    And it's a stupid process. Just legalize freedom and let people live where they want to live.
    I wish it were that simple. Again, people are not all like you. Some people would take advantage of that utopia.


    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    Why is it unrealistic? Just ban all welfare programs and it would be fine.
    Give me an honest picture of what the country would look like if we were to do so. Please.

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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    Unfortunately, not everyone has such a utopian worldview. There will always be necessary evils. Walls aren't cool, but they are necessary.
    This wall of yours is about as "necessary" as free cell phones.

    Quote Originally Posted by knowledge=power
    I wish it were that simple. Again, people are not all like you. Some people would take advantage of that utopia.
    Indeed, most people would take advantage of the opportunity to live in America under a free society. Why wouldn't they?

    Quote Originally Posted by knowledge=power
    Give me an honest picture of what the country would look like if we were to do so. Please.
    We'd have a free and prosperous society. What are you asking specifically, what skin color would the population be? Not important. What language would the population speak? Not important. What flags would they be flying? Not important.

    Freedom is important. Cultural characteristics are not.

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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

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    99.5% of illegal immigrants get approval for legal status - Washington Times

    dhs points to 98.2% in march---as if that's comforting

    98% of applicants have no criminal record and have either graduated high school or served in the military?

    very impressive

    only 1377 formerly illegal aliens out of 268316 applicants busted out

    are our undocumented neighbors and friends required to demonstrate no public charge before they are given legal status?

    should they be?
    The U.S. Government have already admitted that during the 1986 amnesty that 1/3 of those who were awarded amnesty fraudulently gained amnesty. Researchers believe the numbers to be closer to 50 %

    During the first four years of the Clinton administration it was discovered the back ground checks for those legal aliens who were applying for naturalization weren't being conducted by the FBI and it was found that 10 % of those immigrants who were naturalized during that time were convicted felons. That was one of the things Kenneth Star was suppose to be investigating instead of a cum stain on a dress.

    Since it is acknowledged that the Obama administration is the most incompetent administration in history, it doesn't surprise me that 98.2 % of these illegal aliens have been awarded amnesty.

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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    I was agreeing with you. Hence the "really"

    the second half of my post was not directed at you.
    Oh, OK

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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    And what's wrong with that? We already have too many people on government assistance Now if you wish to sponsor a poor immigrant, and pay his way, have at it. Put your money where your mouth is. Not tax payer money.

    Keep in mind also. Every job an illegal takes in one less job for a citizen or legal immigrant to take. If employers cannot find people at the wages they offer, they will simply have to raise their wages. We could also mandate that citizens on public assistance who are able bodied workers take these jobs, else lose or get reduced assistance. I prefer the supply and demand approach however.
    Umm...I really think that you should re-read what I said and what I was responding to. I'm against any sort of amnesty for illegal aliens.
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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    Sure, why not? If the Chinese want to work hard and build a better society than fat lazy government-owes-me-everything Americans then that's fine. Encourage immigration, end all government welfare.
    If we end all welfare type programs, then I'm with you... to a point. The problem is, these illegals come in, as day laborers, contract their services and pay no taxes. Then their wives claim social benefits for them and their kids, and live off our tax dollars as well.

    We need to put an end to this.

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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    This wall of yours is about as "necessary" as free cell phones.
    Indeed, most people would take advantage of the opportunity to live in America under a free society. Why wouldn't they?
    We'd have a free and prosperous society. What are you asking specifically, what skin color would the population be? Not important. What language would the population speak? Not important. What flags would they be flying? Not important.
    Freedom is important. Cultural characteristics are not.
    Hey,
    Actually a lot of immigrants, don't look for "freedom", they look for better financial opportunities for themselves and their families.

    Your last statement proposes imo that US as a country should cease to exist?...no flag, language, no other cultural and historical attributes e.g...such as the US constitution?
    If not, how it would still exist as a country?

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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    This wall of yours is about as "necessary" as free cell phones.



    Indeed, most people would take advantage of the opportunity to live in America under a free society. Why wouldn't they?



    We'd have a free and prosperous society. What are you asking specifically, what skin color would the population be? Not important. What language would the population speak? Not important. What flags would they be flying? Not important.

    Freedom is important. Cultural characteristics are not.
    Many people want all of that, but it is not realistic.

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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Hey,
    Actually a lot of immigrants, don't look for "freedom", they look for better financial opportunities for themselves and their families.

    Your last statement proposes imo that US as a country should cease to exist?...no flag, language, no other cultural and historical attributes e.g...such as the US constitution?
    If not, how it would still exist as a country?

    Cheers,
    Fallen.
    That's a totally different story, but yeah I'm an anarchist of the Rothbard tradition if it matters.

    The nation could still be a nation without speaking English. Those kinds of cultural characteristics are not important. What matters is the dedication to the principles of liberty.

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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    That's a totally different story, but yeah I'm an anarchist of the Rothbard tradition if it matters.
    The nation could still be a nation without speaking English. Those kinds of cultural characteristics are not important. What matters is the dedication to the principles of liberty.
    So you would have groups of people with absolutely different cultural backgrounds and history, having different traditions, with different languages, different views on what "liberty" is, different religious/non religious beliefs and background...living on the same land, and you would call that a nation?!?

    Cheers,
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