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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Those children stop being children and innocent when they grow up and stay here despite knowing that they are here illegally.
    So, they should run away from home and go to their parent's home country at the ripe old age of what, 14, 15?
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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I may have misunderstood. I thought these were children who were brought here young and consequently grew up "American" and whose parents were the illegals but the children are more like victims. Am I incorrect?

    If someone robs a bank, we don't charge their minor children who were not part of the robbery.
    Kids of illegal immigrants is a different issue and very complicated. I would be for making them legal if and only if we have a secure border otherwise hoards of Mexicans will come here with kids in tow.

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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Kids of illegal immigrants is a different issue and very complicated. I would be for making them legal if and only if we have a secure border otherwise hoards of Mexicans will come here with kids in tow.
    That's the real problem with any amnesty program. We've been through this once already, and should have learned that amnesty opens the flood gates.

    Illegals seeking amnesty should have to go to an American consulate in their home country to apply. That way, there wouldn't be an incentive for others to come across hoping for amnesty.

    I've had students who came to the USA early in life. For the most part, they're Americans, not (well, let's just say what we all know) Mexicans. They should be naturalized, but it has to be done without opening the floodgates for millions of others who aren't Americans.
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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Yes, you are correct. But still, you wouldn't be inclined to.


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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, they should run away from home and go to their parent's home country at the ripe old age of what, 14, 15?
    Are they grown up at 14-15? Try keeping things in context ok?
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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    We appear to be incapable of securing the border and past efforts at amnesty haven't changed much of anything. So, apparently we either have no solution or even more interesting, don't want a solution.

    Building a fence along the border would certainly provide infrastructure jobs. Of course, we'd probably hire illegals to build the fence to save money on labor. How lame is that? As wages fall and jobs (low skill) become rarer, this may be a self-solving problem.

    In the meantime though, I do feel sympathy for those children brought up in America and I really don't know what we can ethically do other than integrate them to our society.



    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Kids of illegal immigrants is a different issue and very complicated. I would be for making them legal if and only if we have a secure border otherwise hoards of Mexicans will come here with kids in tow.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That's the real problem with any amnesty program. We've been through this once already, and should have learned that amnesty opens the flood gates.

    Illegals seeking amnesty should have to go to an American consulate in their home country to apply. That way, there wouldn't be an incentive for others to come across hoping for amnesty.

    I've had students who came to the USA early in life. For the most part, they're Americans, not (well, let's just say what we all know) Mexicans. They should be naturalized, but it has to be done without opening the floodgates for millions of others who aren't Americans.

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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    We appear to be incapable of securing the border and past efforts at amnesty haven't changed much of anything. So, apparently we either have no solution or even more interesting, don't want a solution.

    Building a fence along the border would certainly provide infrastructure jobs. Of course, we'd probably hire illegals to build the fence to save money on labor. How lame is that? As wages fall and jobs (low skill) become rarer, this may be a self-solving problem.

    In the meantime though, I do feel sympathy for those children brought up in America and I really don't know what we can ethically do other than integrate them to our society.
    IMO we can and we must secure the border and I am opposed to anything being done to help illegals or their kids until we do.

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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    I assume you mean an Israel style fence along the border with Mexico (presumably not Canada although I do know a Canadian former illegal).

    The border is 1969 miles long and has some serious architectural challenges if it is going to be the real thing and not something you can jump over. It will need an elaborate surveillance system, watchtowers, drones and regular patrolling. I don't know if it will make Mexicans give up on the idea of coming here or if they'll keep challenging the perimeter. A huge investment although it is somewhat mitigated by providing jobs. Of course, some could still come here on tourist visas and never leave but they'll be more upscale.

    E-verify has problems Does E-Verify Actually Work? but they should be able to fix it. Or we could go with the dreaded concept of a national ID card although thats been about as well received as gun control :-)






    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    IMO we can and we must secure the border and I am opposed to anything being done to help illegals or their kids until we do.

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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I assume you mean an Israel style fence along the border with Mexico (presumably not Canada although I do know a Canadian former illegal).

    The border is 1969 miles long and has some serious architectural challenges if it is going to be the real thing and not something you can jump over. It will need an elaborate surveillance system, watchtowers, drones and regular patrolling. I don't know if it will make Mexicans give up on the idea of coming here or if they'll keep challenging the perimeter. A huge investment although it is somewhat mitigated by providing jobs. Of course, some could still come here on tourist visas and never leave but they'll be more upscale.

    E-verify has problems Does E-Verify Actually Work? but they should be able to fix it. Or we could go with the dreaded concept of a national ID card although thats been about as well received as gun control :-)
    The primary job of our government is to secure our border, if they say it can't be done it's time for a new government.

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    Re: 99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

    This is a travesty of justice against American citizens and legal immigrants!

    That trespassing, identify forging, and jobs/classrooms/other American resource stealing criminals -- illegals -- brought their kids with them is not America's responsibility.

    These kids, now young adults or whatever age they now are, are their country of origin's responsibility, not America's.

    America cannot continue to codependently rescue people it's not our responsibility to rescue; the responsibility for these kids, young adults, whatever age they are, is the responsibility of the country that is their legal and rightful country of citizenship, and we need to turn these people over to those countries so that they can take care of their own.

    Obama's codependent rescue programs, that come at the expense of justice for all American citizens and legal immigrants, is simply another egregious vote-pander for the Democrat Party, nothing more.

    We long ago lost our ability to codependently rescue people who were not our responsibility, rescuing the world because other countries won't step in and do the right thing by their own people.

    We can no longer afford to sacrifice our own citizens' and legal immigrants' jobs, educations, land, living conditions, vehicle roadways, etc., etc. for those who have no asylum or any other right to be here.

    Our labor force participation rate is as low as it's ever been, and that's a presentation reflecting lowering of the standard of living across the country. Unjustifiably rescuing millions of people who don't belong here will only make that standard of living worse, not to mention the unethical thumbing of our nose at those who filled out the right paperwork and have waited rightly for some time according to our law, waiting in their own country of origin for their turn in line.

    No, this political power pander by Obama for the Democrats is abominable on so many counts.

    It is time to just say "No!" to sacrificing American citizens' and legal immigrants' resources for the sake of codependent rescuing of other countries' people and so that a political party in power can cynically abuse American citizens and legal immigrants for the sake of attempting to become permanently entrenched in power.

    We need to make these other countries stand up and do their own due diligence in taking these people back to their own borders and being responsible for them .. and we need to severely chastise Obama for his egregious Benedict-Arnold betrayal of American citizens and legal immigrants.

    The time for ignoring the damage such codependent rescuing inflicts upon our own citizens and legal immigrants in stolen resources and lowering living conditions must come to an end.

    We need to fight this Obama power pander with everything we've got!
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