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    Re: Obama Promises to "Reach Out" to GOP, Praises George Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Actually, I agree with you and one of my disappointments was that the USG has prohibited this to support the ludicrous pricing we have now.

    Do you know that Plavix sells for $5 a pill? A common heart medication that Doctors tend to prescribe not realizing it isn't on the formulary. You can (illegally) buy Indian made copies through Canadian "pharmacies" for about $1. But why should you have to choose between breaking the law and taking affordable medication?

    I do recognize the costs of R&D. It costs almost nothing to make a medication, all of it is R&D, packaging, record keeping and advertising. But how about some balance in this? Some of these medications are frivilous but some are essential. Sure, you can be an informed consumer and in some cases generics can be found that allow you to buy affordably. But the Doctors don't care, they get free samples of, say, Ambien and they write a script and you pay $6 because you don't know that Zolpiden is exactly the same thing and is under $1. So some people are subsidizing other people out of ignorance. If foreign companies could openly market their products, you'd see Ambien at $1, not $6. It's not a good system and I resent that Bush and Obama have knowingly supported this.
    Everytime I have gotten a prescription, my pharmacy always checks to see if a generic is available at a lower price. My doctors usually write me generics anyways.

    But anyways, I agree that the costs shouldn't be so high for us compared to other countries. If it is being sold so cheap there, US suppliers should be able to buy up their supply at a low cost for resale. That'll force their markets to meet us somewhere in the middle on pricing. We will see how much cheaper their healthcare is then.

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    Re: Obama Promises to "Reach Out" to GOP, Praises George Bush

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    IF he did do that it would just be because he hated cancer drug companies.
    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Like i have said previously, if Obama discovered the cure for cancer, he'd be criticized.

    He'd claim the cure for cancer was his but really it was mostly done on Bush's watch.

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    Re: Obama Promises to "Reach Out" to GOP, Praises George Bush

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    Re: Obama Promises to "Reach Out" to GOP, Praises George Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Actually, I agree with you and one of my disappointments was that the USG has prohibited this to support the ludicrous pricing we have now.

    Do you know that Plavix sells for $5 a pill? A common heart medication that Doctors tend to prescribe not realizing it isn't on the formulary. You can (illegally) buy Indian made copies through Canadian "pharmacies" for about $1. But why should you have to choose between breaking the law and taking affordable medication?

    I do recognize the costs of R&D. It costs almost nothing to make a medication, all of it is R&D, packaging, record keeping and advertising. But how about some balance in this? Some of these medications are frivilous but some are essential. Sure, you can be an informed consumer and in some cases generics can be found that allow you to buy affordably. But the Doctors don't care, they get free samples of, say, Ambien and they write a script and you pay $6 because you don't know that Zolpiden is exactly the same thing and is under $1. So some people are subsidizing other people out of ignorance. If foreign companies could openly market their products, you'd see Ambien at $1, not $6. It's not a good system and I resent that Bush and Obama have knowingly supported this.
    How much do you think R&D costs? How long do you think a drug company has their patent on the drug to make a return? How much R&D do you think is spent on other drugs that are never approved or make it to market?

    Also, online pharmacies and many Canadian pharmacies are not regulated. The most counterfeited drug is Viagra. The thing is, and online "pharmacy" may sell it for $2 a pill, but you have no idea if you are actually getting the drug, if you are getting the full quantity of what is advertised, or if the drug is being made safely. They aren't regulated by the FDA and they don't adhere to those guidelines.

    Many physicians don't care about drug costs, many are ignorant of pharmacology and prescribe according to what a sales rep may say (and again, others are not ignorant and make evidence based judgements and weigh in pharmacoeconomics).

    Also, if a physician wrote for brand name Ambien the pharmacy can substitute for the generic in most states so long as the physician or patient don't request brand name only. I don't support allowing us to buy drugs internationally from places not regulated by the FDA. Many foreign companies piggyback off of US research that we pay for here while they make the drug in a foreign country with decreased R&D costs. The company has to makeup their costs in the US market, not the international market.
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    Re: Obama Promises to "Reach Out" to GOP, Praises George Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    I don't get it !!!!!

    He gave Bush and republican's some nice remarks and yet you still criticize the guy????

    What did he say that bother you? Hell if anyone should be bothered is democrats like myself.
    All good stuff, we just don't trust him.
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    Re: Obama Promises to "Reach Out" to GOP, Praises George Bush

    I don't know the answer to your questions. But I do know that they recover those costs by selling those drugs to Americans at the highest price and selling them for much less overseas. So, as an American, forgive me if I'm unsympathetic.

    If the Dr. writes Ambien and you don't know any better, your pharmacy will sell you the Ambien. If you complain, then you'll wait until they call your Dr. which may take 1 minute or 3 days depending on your Dr. If you think I'm wrong, let me ask you "how do they sell ANY Ambien when Zolpidem is the IDENTICAL formula?"

    As for Viagra, Cialis Et Al, the Indian products are the same chemical compounds. And they do exactly the same thing. Anecdotal research, I know. But I have both.....and they do the same thing. Is it possible to get fake drugs or bad drugs buying overseas? Yes, it is possible. Is it possible your American pharmacist will screw up and give you the wrong (even deadly) drug? Sure. It happens. Life is a gamble.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    How much do you think R&D costs? How long do you think a drug company has their patent on the drug to make a return? How much R&D do you think is spent on other drugs that are never approved or make it to market?

    Also, online pharmacies and many Canadian pharmacies are not regulated. The most counterfeited drug is Viagra. The thing is, and online "pharmacy" may sell it for $2 a pill, but you have no idea if you are actually getting the drug, if you are getting the full quantity of what is advertised, or if the drug is being made safely. They aren't regulated by the FDA and they don't adhere to those guidelines.

    Many physicians don't care about drug costs, many are ignorant of pharmacology and prescribe according to what a sales rep may say (and again, others are not ignorant and make evidence based judgements and weigh in pharmacoeconomics).

    Also, if a physician wrote for brand name Ambien the pharmacy can substitute for the generic in most states so long as the physician or patient don't request brand name only. I don't support allowing us to buy drugs internationally from places not regulated by the FDA. Many foreign companies piggyback off of US research that we pay for here while they make the drug in a foreign country with decreased R&D costs.

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    Re: Obama Promises to "Reach Out" to GOP, Praises George Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    I don't get it !!!!!

    He gave Bush and republican's some nice remarks and yet you still criticize the guy????

    What did he say that bother you? Hell if anyone should be bothered is democrats like myself.
    LOL.....they can't help it.
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    Re: Obama Promises to "Reach Out" to GOP, Praises George Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    President Obama did not compromise one little bit on Obamacare. You may have been expecting a single-payer system, but that was never his goal. We have a 10,000-plus-page document prewritten to prove that. The debt ceiling stuff? You mean sequestration? The one he offered and now blames Republicans for? I don't know what that was, but I sure don't consider that a compromise. I would consider compromise cutting some budgets.

    We just have two different sets of eyes, Your Star.
    Wrong. Obama had pushed for a public option. The Republicans wouldn't even consider it, so Obama gave in and adopted the REPUBLICAN health insurance mandate which was the cornerstone of the Republican plan....and they STILL rejected it.

    Hell...even when Obama nominated Hagel...a REPUBLICAN....the republican party voted no. That is the reason that they are known as the PARTY OF NO.
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    Re: Obama Promises to "Reach Out" to GOP, Praises George Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    President Obama did not compromise one little bit on Obamacare. You may have been expecting a single-payer system, but that was never his goal. We have a 10,000-plus-page document prewritten to prove that. The debt ceiling stuff? You mean sequestration? The one he offered and now blames Republicans for? I don't know what that was, but I sure don't consider that a compromise. I would consider compromise cutting some budgets.

    We just have two different sets of eyes, Your Star.
    LOL...as for the sequestration...you obviously have a short memory. The only way that Obama could get the Republicans, namely the tea baggers to not throw the country into default and raise the debt ceiling was to agree to the sequestration. You can thank the Republicans for the effects we are feeling now. THAT is the Republican idea of compromise...and look at where it is taking us.
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    Re: Obama Promises to "Reach Out" to GOP, Praises George Bush

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    Obama Tells Democratic Backers He Will Continue Reaching Out to GOP - NYTimes.com

    DALLAS — President Obama vowed Wednesday night to continue trying to work with Republican lawmakers even if doing so irritates some of his Democratic supporters who think he is “a sap.”

    Straddling the line between governance and politics, Mr. Obama told wealthy contributors at a Democratic fund-raiser here that their party was not the only one that cared about the troubles of the country, and he renewed his commitment to bipartisanship despite the divisions in Washington.

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    The fund-raiser was held the night before the dedication of the George W. Bush Presidential Library and Museum here, which Mr. Obama will attend. In keeping with the spirit of that event, he offered praise for Mr. Bush to an audience of Texas Democrats who have long opposed him. “Whatever our political differences, President Bush loves this country and loves its people and shares that same concern,” he said.

    About 60 donors paid between $10,000 and $32,400 to attend the dinner at the home of Naomi Aberly, a Democratic bundler, and her husband, Laurence Lebowitz, a hedge fund investor. The 12,000-square-foot home, which resembles a concert hall, was valued at $10.9 million and ranked as the 41st most expensive in the Dallas area by the local D Magazine. It is about a mile from Mr. Bush’s home.
    Awesome. We can expect him to cave even more to the GOP and keep throwing his base and the left under the bus even more often now.
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