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    Re: Obama Promises to "Reach Out" to GOP, Praises George Bush

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    Health Care that's the big one, was expecting a single payer system, and then we got something that is far from perfect, and at best will lead to a single payer system eventually. The debt ceiling stuff, the compromises favored heavily for the republicans, just to name a couple.
    Those were more compromises with HIS OWN PARTY, as he couldn't get the votes FROM HIS OWN PARTY to pass the drastic left wing stuff you want.
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    Re: Obama Promises to "Reach Out" to GOP, Praises George Bush

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    That seems more like an FDA failure than an Obama failure.
    Is the FDA not in line down from, and controlled by, the Executive?
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    Re: Obama Promises to "Reach Out" to GOP, Praises George Bush

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    Health Care that's the big one, was expecting a single payer system, and then we got something that is far from perfect, and at best will lead to a single payer system eventually. The debt ceiling stuff, the compromises favored heavily for the republicans, just to name a couple.
    President Obama did not compromise one little bit on Obamacare. You may have been expecting a single-payer system, but that was never his goal. We have a 10,000-plus-page document prewritten to prove that. The debt ceiling stuff? You mean sequestration? The one he offered and now blames Republicans for? I don't know what that was, but I sure don't consider that a compromise. I would consider compromise cutting some budgets.

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    Re: Obama Promises to "Reach Out" to GOP, Praises George Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    President Obama did not compromise one little bit on Obamacare. You may have been expecting a single-payer system, but that was never his goal. We have a 10,000-plus-page document prewritten to prove that. The debt ceiling stuff? You mean sequestration? The one he offered and now blames Republicans for? I don't know what that was, but I sure don't consider that a compromise. I would consider compromise cutting some budgets.

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    Re: Obama Promises to "Reach Out" to GOP, Praises George Bush

    Yes, but the President can't run every department by himself. His job is to see that the right people are "hired" who in turn hire the "right people". There are certain fundamentals that I hold the Executive liable for and some that I just have to accept aren't going to be perfect.

    Look at Fast & Furious. Do you know the ATFE had nobody in charge at the time? I do hold Obama and Holder liable for that. But I don't think Obama ordered or even knew about this incredibly stupid decision.



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    Is the FDA not in line down from, and controlled by, the Executive?

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    Re: Obama Promises to "Reach Out" to GOP, Praises George Bush

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    Yes, but the President can't run every department by himself. His job is to see that the right people are "hired" who in turn hire the "right people". There are certain fundamentals that I hold the Executive liable for and some that I just have to accept aren't going to be perfect.

    Look at Fast & Furious. Do you know the ATFE had nobody in charge at the time? I do hold Obama and Holder liable for that. But I don't think Obama ordered or even knew about this incredibly stupid decision.
    There was a time in this country when responsibility floated to the top. That it doesn't any longer is a part of the problem.
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    Re: Obama Promises to "Reach Out" to GOP, Praises George Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I dont think anything Obama does could unite the nation. The Republicans are too uncompromising, as a party they cannot compromise on anything.
    He had the opportunity after the election and had he gone for a FDR style nationwide infrastructure rebuild the hardline repubs would have had their thunder stolen. Would have meant more debt initially, but also jobs and a shiny new infrastructure allowing us to repay that debt. Instead we got the Obamacare nightmare, more debt and no way to repay it.

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    Re: Obama Promises to "Reach Out" to GOP, Praises George Bush

    I won't deny that Obama is a blamer and has difficulty accepting responsibility.

    Still, no President has ever had a watch where nothing went wrong.


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    Re: Obama Promises to "Reach Out" to GOP, Praises George Bush

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    Still, no President has ever had a watch where nothing went wrong.
    That doesn't clear any of them of the blame for what happened on their watch.
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    Re: Obama Promises to "Reach Out" to GOP, Praises George Bush

    No, it doesn't.



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    That doesn't clear any of them of the blame for what happened on their watch.

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