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    Re: NV Senator comes out as gay

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Meh, he's a politician and was running for office the same election where the public voted this into the state's constitution. There's a few possible reasons why he wouldn't have spoken out at the time, the most obvious of which (Occam's Razor) is that it wasn't to his political advantage to do so. Now he feels it is. We'll see if he was right come the next election.
    We'll see, but I'm betting that it won't matter since it has been 10 years since that ban was voted into office. Logic tells us that public opinion has very likely moved in that state, as it has across the country, to being much more accepting of same sex marriage and homosexuality.
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    Re: NV Senator comes out as gay

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You would be wrong. I am against the initiative process because there a many times when it causes huge budgeting problems within states, especially California. For example, many things will get put on the ballot in CA for the government to pay for, but then the legislature is stuck deciding how it gets paid for because the only reason it got approved was because of stupid people who can't budget their own finances let alone an entire state's. (And I don't even vote or pay taxes here in CA, despite living here.)

    Doesn't change the fact that, if the masses are too stupid to participate in governing themselves that means YOU, being one of said masses, are in the same boat. So, how can you rely upon your own opinions regarding governance?

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    Re: NV Senator comes out as gay

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Doesn't change the fact that, if the masses are too stupid to participate in governing themselves that means YOU, being one of said masses, are in the same boat. So, how can you rely upon your own opinions regarding governance?
    It is a matter of large groups of people being stupid, not individuals. Individuals can be smart, but a group is limited by its dumbest members.

    An ideal setup would include a group who was highly intelligent leading the masses, but ideals are never reality. One of the next best things is to elect people to represent your ideas to the best extent possible and put precautions in place, such as the Constitution and a system of checks and balances, to try to ensure that they do what is best for the people as much as possible and limit how much power they are able to actually have. It isn't perfect and obviously has flaws, but there are so many more flaws in allowing people to vote directly for laws and bills that they have no idea about or how they work. At least elected officials have some clue, or they gain a little, about how laws and our government works. Many voters don't.
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    Re: NV Senator comes out as gay

    The thing is, if you are in a minority and you let those uninformed and without any impact on their lives, decide what happens to you, it frequently turns out that they would rapidly override anything resembling Constitutional or legislative interpretation as it exists, or more specifically, would engage in activities to further restrict those minorities. Ever since I was a kid I was under pressure by my peers and the adults around me, to justify legal rights granted to me by Federal Law and the Supreme Court. It was damn near the presumption that my, or my family's civil rights, should not exist. Even on an individual level here, it is amazing how often I get into conversations with average Joe about my rights, that apparently don't exist. Their platitudes about "taxpayer's money" and "the people" purposefully rhetorically undermine damn near most of the established civil rights I gained in the late 20th century. I am very much glad that my minority group is subject to less democratic measures than homosexuals are. I couldn't imagine having the ADA if "the people" had control over it. That was why the organizations purposefully did not seek popular approval: it wasn't worth it at the time and it would only undermine the success of the bill. It is damn unfortunate that homosexuals have to deal with this democratic impulse of the masses holding them back from legal protections and equality. Although the converse has also been true, a great ally for minorities over the past couple of generations has been the Supreme Court: the oligarchic branch.
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