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    Re: NV Senator comes out as gay

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    FWIW, Nevada has changed radically since 2002. I think its all those CA people who moved here but whatever the reason, it's unrecognizable now.

    When I moved here, the town was still mob run. Then it became Corporate but was still very cowboy for a long time. The housing bubble was at its very worst here and after the shake-out, I can hardly recognize the place. I'm not calling it good or bad - just very, very different.
    And in that case sounds like the perfect time for those who want this out of their constitution to do what those who supported it's inclusion did. Get the signatures and have it put on the ballot.

    This attempt to sneak it past the people betrays that they don't believe that Nevada has changed all that much.

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    Re: NV Senator comes out as gay

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Agreed, but this aint that. It was done through a legitimate political process designed to allow the people to directly vote on matters concerning them. Not a mob but a majority of voters.
    A legitimated mob, but a mob nevertheless.
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    Re: NV Senator comes out as gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    A legitimated mob, but a mob nevertheless.
    By that definition, the legislature itself could be considered a mob as well.

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    Re: NV Senator comes out as gay

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    By that definition, the legislature itself could be considered a mob as well.
    I wouldn't desire that my civil liberties be up to the feeble impulses of the masses, why should they?
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    Re: NV Senator comes out as gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I wouldn't desire that my civil liberties be up to the feeble impulses of the masses, why should they?
    Because most of your fellow mob members rather like being able to submit legislation for a direct vote of the people. Sounds like you're against the initiative process. You also against citizens petitioning their government?

    There's another wonderful thing about this union of states we have, there are states where the initiative process is not in place.

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    Re: NV Senator comes out as gay

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Because most of your fellow mob members rather like being able to submit legislation for a direct vote of the people. Sounds like you're against the initiative process. You also against citizens petitioning their government?

    There's another wonderful thing about this union of states we have, there are states where the initiative process is not in place.
    Petitioning their government to subdue their fellow citizens who are not dangerous? Absolutely. Democracy is vile when it reaches this point. It's nothing more than mobocracy.
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    Re: NV Senator comes out as gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Petitioning their government to subdue their fellow citizens who are not dangerous? Absolutely. Democracy is vile when it reaches this point. It's nothing more than mobocracy.
    Well then, as I said, it's a good thing you have plenty of states to live in where you don't have quite so much democracy. The right of citizens to petition their government was held as a base principle by all the framers.
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    Re: NV Senator comes out as gay

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well then, as I said, it's a goos thing you have plenty of states to live in where you don't have quite so much democracy. The right of citizens to petition their government was held as a base principle by all the framers.
    A large number of the framers and the subsequent generation also held the principle that one ought to distrust the desires and political impulses of the masses, and that they do not want to be swayed by them, for it is injurious to good governance. Democracy was a vile thing to many of them.
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    Re: NV Senator comes out as gay

    I wonder if the rest of the senate will come out as idiots?
    Either I'm right or you're wrong.

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    Re: NV Senator comes out as gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    A large number of the framers and the subsequent generation also held the principle that one ought to distrust the desires and political impulses of the masses, and that they do not want to be swayed by them, for it is injurious to good governance.
    Indeed, many of those of like mind also believed the people should play no part in the election of senators or the POTUS. Their take on the matter largely failed.

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