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The Brain of a Bomber: Did Damage Caused By Boxing Play a Role in the Boston Bombings

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Tamerlan Tsarnaev is telling no tales. The older of the two brothers who committed the Boston Marathon bombings was likely the one who planned the attack, but when he died in a shootout with police just days after the blasts, his thoughts and motivations vanished with him. But the brain that was home to his angry mind remains, and in this case that may mean something.

Tsarnaev was an amateur boxer who won the New England Golden Gloves competition as recently as 2009 and 2010. That speaks to a young man with a healthy sense of discipline and focus, and if he had a violent streak, it was violence well-channeled. But his sport of choice suggests the possibility of something else too: traumatic brain injury. As the National Football League and other pro sports increasingly reckon with the early dementia, mental health issues, suicides and even criminal behavior of former players, the risk of what’s known as chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), is becoming clear. Roughly 4,000 former NFL players and 2,000 of their spouses are currently suing the league, claiming that the perils of head injuries were never explained to them and, indeed, that the players were pushed to get back on the field even when it was clear that they had suffered concussions.

It was inevitable, then that questions would be raised about whether Tsarnaev’s brain may have been similarly traumatized during the years he boxed, and if there had indeed been damage, did that spark his murderous behavior? The answer is a likely yes to the first part and a likely no to the second.

I understand that they are trying to figure out why Tsarnaev and his brother committed the bombings in Boston, but trying to tie the whole ordeal to boxing seems a bit far fetched. Take a look.

Read more: A Bomber's Brain: Did Boxing Help Cause the Boston Terror? | TIME.com
 
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It's not like Tamerlan Tsarnaev was the first boxer in history. If it was about boxing, Muhammad Ali would have bombed something years ago.
 
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Time, once again jumping the shark. The Fonz would be proud.
 
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zealotry was the likely cause, as is nearly always the case. in this instance, it was religion, but zealotry is not confined to religion.

as for whether the zealotry was initiated or amplified by the brain injury, more data would be required to support that conclusion. I admit that the thought did cross my mind, though.
 
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I think there's plenty of evidence the zealotry existed in the family before he began boxing.
 
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It's not like Tamerlan Tsarnaev was the first boxer in history. If it was about boxing, Muhammad Ali would have bombed something years ago.
What a dumb comment.

The same experience can affect different people in different ways. This is true for many things including brain damage. This is why 100 football players can get hit in the head for their entire career, 90 of them will come out fine and 10 of them will come out with brain damage that causes neurological disorders, violence, depression or other problems.

The same is true for boxing. It is possible that brain damage from boxing could have impacted Tamerlan's decision-making process. Such damage would not have been the only, or even the main, factor contributing to his behavior. Nonetheless, to diminish the potential that brain damage had an influence because boxers don't consistently bomb things is such an intellectually weak and preposterous argument.
 
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I understand that they are trying to figure out why Tsarnaev and his brother committed the bombings in Boston, but trying to tie the whole ordeal to boxing seems a bit far fetched. Take a look.

Read more: A Bomber's Brain: Did Boxing Help Cause the Boston Terror? | TIME.com
It's possible that brain damage from boxing was a contributing factor. It could have intensified his reactions to problems he perceived or distorted his ability to rationally problem solve or it could have made him more susceptible to dangerous influences. Regardless, such violent behavior is usually the result of a "perfect storm" of a variety of factors.
 
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It's not like Tamerlan Tsarnaev was the first boxer in history. If it was about boxing, Muhammad Ali would have bombed something years ago.

Or George Foreman would've bombed at some point...

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The elder brother was a boxer. The younger brother was not but was a more than willing participant.

This alone tells me that the premise is seriously flawed.
 
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It's possible that brain damage from boxing was a contributing factor. It could have intensified his reactions to problems he perceived or distorted his ability to rationally problem solve or it could have made him more susceptible to dangerous influences. Regardless, such violent behavior is usually the result of a "perfect storm" of a variety of factors.

Perhaps it was a contributing factor, but the question in my mind is: Did brain damage alter his thought patterns to make him more violent and more susceptible to buying into extremist ideologies instead of being rational, or was he just a violent person to begin with and boxing was just an outlet for this violent tendency? I think it would be interesting if they examined his brain to search for evidence of encephalopathy related to boxing.
 
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What surprises me is the majority of terrorists/suicide bombers are middle class, and educated..
 
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What a dumb comment.

The same experience can affect different people in different ways. This is true for many things including brain damage. This is why 100 football players can get hit in the head for their entire career, 90 of them will come out fine and 10 of them will come out with brain damage that causes neurological disorders, violence, depression or other problems.

The same is true for boxing. It is possible that brain damage from boxing could have impacted Tamerlan's decision-making process. Such damage would not have been the only, or even the main, factor contributing to his behavior. Nonetheless, to diminish the potential that brain damage had an influence because boxers don't consistently bomb things is such an intellectually weak and preposterous argument.

You'd think though, that there would be at least one or two boxers who became terrorists. Plus, at his age and level, his brain hadn't taken nearly the beating that others' have.
 
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Watching liberals attempt to circumvent the obvious is absolutely comical...
 
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Perhaps it was a contributing factor, but the question in my mind is: Did brain damage alter his thought patterns to make him more violent and more susceptible to buying into extremist ideologies instead of being rational, or was he just a violent person to begin with and boxing was just an outlet for this violent tendency?

The question that it brought to my mind was: did he box willingly of his own volition and consent?

If so, and even if it can be demonstrated that traumatic brain injury suffered in boxing contributed in some way to the mass murder he commited, I would still argue that his actions are entirely his fault and responsibility and that his boxing is in no way a mitigating circumstance.

If I go out and drink a fifth of whisky, drive a car, and kill three people, I don't get to say, "Not my fault, I was drunk".

Same thing here.

If recreational behaviors that he voluntarially participated in played some role in his actions he doesn't get to say, "Not my fault, I was punch drunk".
 
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The sort of brain injuries that boxing can cause are consistent with a lack of self-control and poor judgement
 
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The sort of brain injuries that boxing can cause are consistent with a lack of self-control and poor judgement
Harry Reid was a boxer.
 
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Actually, the author might be on to something - Harry Reid used to box didn't he?

And I think they better check out Mohammed Ali - possible co-conspirator.
 
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What surprises me is the majority of terrorists/suicide bombers are middle class, and educated..

So you should love Republicans right, because aren't they trying to destroy the middle class and cut education budgets??
 
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The new leader of the Liberal Party in Canada, the infamous Justin Trudeau, defeated a Conservative Senator in a charity boxing match last year.

I think we're on to the major problem with politics today - too many addled brains getting elected.
 
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The new leader of the Liberal Party in Canada, the infamous Justin Trudeau, defeated a Conservative Senator in a charity boxing match last year.

I think we're on to the major problem with politics today - too many addled brains getting elected.

Good afternoon, CJ. :2wave:

Agree, and unfortunately most of them have never boxed a day in their life! It's ridiculous that we put up with it! :2mad:
 
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I think the older brother probably had violent tendencies and probably used boxing as an outlet for his aggression. But I don't think boxing brain injury caused him to do what he did. Instead, I think he suffered from the same old story that most of the other mass killers seem to suffer from....high expectations to succeed and then failing and then alienation and blaming society for his failures.
 
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Good afternoon, CJ. :2wave:

Agree, and unfortunately most of them have never boxed a day in their life! It's ridiculous that we put up with it! :2mad:

Good evening Lady P - hope all is well with you - have fun, I'm off soon.
 
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Good evening Lady P - hope all is well with you - have fun, I'm off soon.

All is well with me. :thanks: Have an enjoyable evening, CJ. Be well. See you on the morrow.
 
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