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World's First GM Babies Born

CanadaJohn said:
Good idea? Until such time as self-centered humans get the idea that breeding genetically perfect children for spare parts sounds good.
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Still not seeing the problem as long as the clones are never allowed to develop consciousness.
 
WCH said:
Sorry but these 'scientists' and 'parents' have no idea what sorts of problems might arise in these children. It's not good to mess with Mother Nature. (especially for selfish reasons)

Sometimes just because you *can* do something doesn't mean it was a good idea or that you should.
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Maybe so but they have a right to do this and it is not your business to interfere.
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
Still not seeing the problem as long as the clones are never allowed to develop consciousness.
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Why grow a whole human body when you can just grow individual replacement organs?
 
CanadaJohn said:
Good idea? Until such time as self-centered humans get the idea that breeding genetically perfect children for spare parts sounds good.
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That would be about cloning. Which this is not about. This is about genetic manipulation to enhance our physical bodies. Be it to get rid of diseases or other "enhancements" I'm not sure.

I'm actually of two minds about these kinds of things. Excuse the geekiness here but Star Trek actually dealt with some of the possible issues of genetic manipulation. I know, its fiction, not reality. But the points that were brought up are still valid. In the original series they had Kahn who was suppose to be stronger and smarter than the normal human, unfortenately it also gave him an arrogance to match. In another show they tried to make humans immune system attack germs and virus before it even entered the body, which ended up attacking other humans that were not modified. While these things may not happen it is still a possibility. Ones which could bite us in the butts after its too late to do anything about it.

I would have to say that if we are going to be doing this then there are going to have to be ground rules put into place not just in what is done, but also in how not only they are treated but also in how those who have not been genetically enhanced are treated.

This is just one HUGE can of worms. I wonder if we are ready for it.....
 
0bserver92 said:
What's the issue? The gene pool will remain diverse as long as the donors of the third set of cells they use is not the same.
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It's not a diversity issue but more a matter of taking dominance out of the natural realm and substituting it for whatever the current fad is of preference. All the parents choosing blue eyes and blonde hair is a shallow example. WE have no way of knowing the effects that will ultimately have upon the species and our ability to survive going forward.

Then again, you could NetFlix Gattaca. Or read Brave New World.
 
Who finds it wrong morally to have a enhanced child without cancer if its not natrual who thinks it's right .... That is a more intresting Debate
 
Guy Incognito said:
Maybe so but they have a right to do this and it is not your business to interfere.
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:confused: Is it their right to do this? Do human being have a right to genetically modify their offspring? Their offspring has no say in the matter so if what pro-lifers argue about an unborn child not having a say in the matter and that they have rights also is correct reasoning then wouldn't the same apply here also? If a ZEF has rights then wouldn't this be interferring with those rights?
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
That's ridiculous. What does this have to do with art or the lack thereof?
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I didn't see where in the article it said they tinkered with depression, but I could be wrong.

At any rate, how many great artists were depressed? Van Gogh, Cobain...possibly Lennon. Just about any emo band. Just to name a few. I don't necessarily think it's a coincidence.
 
Kal'Stang said:
That would be about cloning. Which this is not about. This is about genetic manipulation to enhance our physical bodies. Be it to get rid of diseases or other "enhancements" I'm not sure.

I'm actually of two minds about these kinds of things. Excuse the geekiness here but Star Trek actually dealt with some of the possible issues of genetic manipulation. I know, its fiction, not reality. But the points that were brought up are still valid. In the original series they had Kahn who was suppose to be stronger and smarter than the normal human, unfortenately it also gave him an arrogance to match. In another show they tried to make humans immune system attack germs and virus before it even entered the body, which ended up attacking other humans that were not modified. While these things may not happen it is still a possibility. Ones which could bite us in the butts after its too late to do anything about it.

I would have to say that if we are going to be doing this then there are going to have to be ground rules put into place not just in what is done, but also in how not only they are treated but also in how those who have not been genetically enhanced are treated.

This is just one HUGE can of worms. I wonder if we are ready for it.....
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Not so geekie - one of the reasons the original Star Trek was so popular and has lasted and survived the test of time was it's social consciousness and how it treated moral and societal issues looking forward. Roddenberry was a true visionary. And I agree with what you've posted.
 
Kal'Stang said:
:confused: Is it their right to do this? Do human being have a right to genetically modify their offspring? Their offspring has no say in the matter so if what pro-lifers argue about an unborn child not having a say in the matter and that they have rights also is correct reasoning then wouldn't the same apply here also? If a ZEF has rights then wouldn't this be interferring with those rights?
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Last time I cheecked a Zef had no thoughts and was unaware not even a fetus . The zef would more likely not want to have a blindness or a medical conditions
 
Un biased said:
Ever heard that is just a movie
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And this is just a discussion forum. The point us that movie contains several elements that are germaine to the discussion at hand. Also germaine - Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, but then, that's just a book, right?
 
CanadaJohn said:
Good idea? Until such time as self-centered humans get the idea that breeding genetically perfect children for spare parts sounds good.
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I doubt seriously it would ever get to that point simply because A) technology has already surpassed that point with the ability to literally print body parts and other more advanced methods. b) cloning in comparison would be very expensive. One exception to that rule would be if somebody grew a clone specifically for a new body from which to transplant their brain. I could see that as a possibility. I don't know what the technical difficulties on that sort of thing would be offhand but I imagine they are fairly steep.
 
Right it is ust a book and movie thanks
 
Un biased said:
Last time I cheecked a Zef had no thoughts and was unaware not even a fetus . The zef would more likely not want to have a blindness or a medical conditions
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You have no way of knowing any of that. Let's elevate the choice - you'll have Parkinsons, but because of that (partially because you have to live with it and in your imagination much of the time, partly because of the genetics involved) you'll also be the greatest mathematical mind our species has seen. Otherwise, you'll have blue eyes, blonde hair and be perfectly healthy. Your choice?
 
Un biased said:
Last time I cheecked a Zef had no thoughts and was unaware not even a fetus . The zef would more likely not want to have a blindness or a medical conditions
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But you don't know do you? They still cannot be asked. You know what YOU would choose. But you have no factual idea what they would choose.
 
clownboy said:
You have no way of knowing any of that. Let's elevate the choice - you'll have Parkinsons, but because of that (partially because you have to live with it and in your imagination much of the time, partly because of the genetics involved) you'll also be the greatest mathematical mind our species has seen. Otherwise, you'll have blue eyes, blonde hair and be perfectly healthy. Your choice?
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Id like health not a slow death
 
PirateMk1 said:
I doubt seriously it would ever get to that point simply because A) technology has already surpassed that point with the ability to literally print body parts and other more advanced methods. b) cloning in comparison would be very expensive. One exception to that rule would be if somebody grew a clone specifically for a new body from which to transplant their brain. I could see that as a possibility. I don't know what the technical difficulties on that sort of thing would be offhand but I imagine they are fairly steep.
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I'm getting too old for modern times. I still believe in the miracle and magic of new life and the wonder and discovery of what that life will become, warts and all. Many great people in history were ones who overcame disabilities that made them stronger. Not sure where we get with a society of perfect beings.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Good idea? Until such time as self-centered humans get the idea that breeding genetically perfect children for spare parts sounds good.
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That's already here isn't it? They're called "saviour siblings".

Viktyr Gehrig said:
Still not seeing the problem as long as the clones are never allowed to develop consciousness.
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They wouldn't be clones - why create a duplicate of a parent who may have genetic problems? These are new huamn beings, and I think they should have consciousness just like any other born human being.
 
Un biased said:
Id like health not a slow death
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Dont forget they can modify people to have a higher intellect so a good mind and body wish I could sign up
 
Kal'Stang said:
But you don't know do you? They still cannot be asked. You know what YOU would choose. But you have no factual idea what they would choose.
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I saw an article the other day about a plant that likes to sway, even when there's no wind or anything to move it, and we assume that plants have no capacity to feel or think, etc. How do we know is right.
 
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