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World's First GM Babies Born

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The world's first geneticallymodified humans have been created, it was revealed last night.

The disclosure that 30 healthy babies were born after a series of experiments in the United States provoked another furious debate about ethics.
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World's first GM babies born | Mail Online

Personally, I consider this excellent news and I am disappointed in the Mail that they only chose to print quotes from people opposed to such measures. Because of this scientific breakthrough, thirty families have been blessed with children they could not otherwise have had.
 
0bserver92 said:
I don't see the issue.
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As an artist I do. The same part of the brain responsible for depression is the same part that deals with creativity. Who seriously wants to have a chronically depressed kid? So you start screwing around with one issue don't be terribly surprised if another thing goes too.
 
:roll::roll:The fact that children being born with with higher intelegence is so scary I need to lock my door... Yeah no child deserves a advantage in life .:roll:
 
Cardinal said:
As an artist I do. The same part of the brain responsible for depression is the same part that deals with creativity. Who seriously wants to have a chronically depressed kid? So you start screwing around with one issue don't be terribly surprised if another thing goes too.
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You are sure making some sweeping statements based on no evidence.
 
If it works to eliminate nasty genes that cause things like Alzheimers, cancer, heart disease, high cholesterol, cellulite, male pattern baldness, Gingers, and bad eyesight, then I can get behind it.
 
Cardinal said:
As an artist I do. The same part of the brain responsible for depression is the same part that deals with creativity. Who seriously wants to have a chronically depressed kid? So you start screwing around with one issue don't be terribly surprised if another thing goes too.
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I read the article and don't remember seeing them tinker around with the part of the brain that controls depression.
 
Good idea? Until such time as self-centered humans get the idea that breeding genetically perfect children for spare parts sounds good.
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
World's first GM babies born | Mail Online

Personally, I consider this excellent news and I am disappointed in the Mail that they only chose to print quotes from people opposed to such measures. Because of this scientific breakthrough, thirty families have been blessed with children they could not otherwise have had.
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Next thing you know the hippies will be screaming that these babies should be labelled.
 
Un biased said:
:roll::roll:The fact that children being born with with higher intelegence is so scary I need to lock my door... Yeah no child deserves a advantage in life .:roll:
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No argument there. Personally I think it's irresponsible to have a child with a learning or personality disorder if you are able to do anything about. As to the relationship between creativity and depression, and how they both work in the same part of the brain, I read that in several articles. I'll try to hunt one of them down again.
 
Samhain said:
If it works to eliminate nasty genes that cause things like Alzheimers, cancer, heart disease, high cholesterol, cellulite, male pattern baldness, Gingers, and bad eyesight, then I can get behind it.
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It could
 
Guy Incognito said:
You are sure making some sweeping statements based on no evidence.
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Well, not no evidence...anecdotal at least. I and many other artists have taken antidepressants and creativity and productivity (in a creative field) are the first things to generally suffer. But again, I'll try to hunt down that article.
 
Cardinal said:
Well, not no evidence...anecdotal at least. I and many other artists have taken antidepressants and creativity and productivity (in a creative field) are the first things to generally suffer. But again, I'll try to hunt down that article.
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Ok, thanks.
 
0bserver92 said:
I don't see the issue.
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The issue is the slippery slope of eugenics. Designer babies. So many dangers here, we're messing with the gene pool, and that's going to bite us in the butt species-wise. Remember entropy.
 
Un biased said:
Designer Babies: Ethical Considerations (ActionBioscience) Designer babies is the street term for what the sceintist have acomplished
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PGD is an expensive procedure currently offered only to couples at risk of having a child suffering from a serious genetic disease. But there is nothing inherent in the technology that limits it to such uses. For example, Dean Hamer presents evidence that the gene for a vesicular monoamine transporter, VMAT2, influences a trait labelled self-transcendence, that is, the “capacity to reach out beyond themselves, to see everything as part of one great totality.”7 He proposes that different versions of VMAT2 lead to different degrees of self-transcendence and, therefore, to different propensities for religious or spiritual belief.

One scientist argues you can also screen for personality traits.

Hamer’s proposal is controversial, but suppose he is right. You might use PGD to select your child’s version of VMAT2. Presbyterians who select children with the high self-transcendence version of VMAT2 should, however, be warned that they may end up with a child who expresses this selected psychological characteristic by way of a devotion to astrology.

Preimplantation genetic diagnosis is not risk free.

PGD does not involve the genetic modification of human embryos and hence avoids some of the risks described above. But it is not entirely risk-free. Some commentators fear that the removal of one or two cells from eight-cell embryos might have implications for the well-being of people created by PGD. Defenders of PGD respond that the cells of eight-cell embryos are totipotent, meaning that they are undifferentiated and equally capable of forming all the cells of the human body. As the technology has been in use for under a decade, it is too early to say with certainty who is right in this dispute.8
 
Samhain said:
If it works to eliminate nasty genes that cause things like Alzheimers, cancer, heart disease, high cholesterol, cellulite, male pattern baldness, Gingers, and bad eyesight, then I can get behind it.
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One of these things is not like the others.
 
clownboy said:
The issue is the slippery slope of eugenics. Designer babies. So many dangers here, we're messing with the gene pool, and that's going to bite us in the butt species-wise. Remember entropy.
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What's the issue? The gene pool will remain diverse as long as the donors of the third set of cells they use is not the same.
 
Cardinal said:
No argument there. Personally I think it's irresponsible to have a child with a learning or personality disorder if you are able to do anything about. As to the relationship between creativity and depression, and how they both work in the same part of the brain, I read that in several articles. I'll try to hunt one of them down again.
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Many great artists suffer from severe depression to the point of suicide and self mutilation. I didn't know the connection, as you present it, but it makes sense to me.
 
Sorry but these 'scientists' and 'parents' have no idea what sorts of problems might arise in these children. It's not good to mess with Mother Nature. (especially for selfish reasons)

Sometimes just because you *can* do something doesn't mean it was a good idea or that you should.
 
Cardinal said:
Well, not no evidence...anecdotal at least. I and many other artists have taken antidepressants and creativity and productivity (in a creative field) are the first things to generally suffer. But again, I'll try to hunt down that article.
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Evidence look up Designer babies Pro's and cons or look up the human brain or genetics
 
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