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    Re: World's First GM Babies Born

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    There are many who argue that humans have not evolved all that much in the past 100,000 years because our environment no longer challenges us enough to need major adaptations. If this argument is at all true, then it means the only way for us to change is if we change ourselves.
    100,000 years isn't terribly long in the evolutionary scale, but there's a list that immediately comes to mind:
    1) the appendix
    2) walking upright all the time
    3) hips, primarily on females, have narrowed significantly
    4) hair patterns and distribution
    5) length and utility of fingers/toes
    6) brain size/skull size

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    Re: World's First GM Babies Born

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The potential for enhancing the lives of individuals who would otherwise be born with serious health issues is enormous, and quite exciting. These are baby steps toward a future when no child will ever have to face a life of pain and crippling disease if inter-utero genetic modification can eliminate the genetic cause. This is a good thing. I'm not understanding the fear and negativity. This is truly an amazing and awesome scientific breakthrough!
    I agree, it could be - you, however, have more faith in the human race than I do at this point in time.

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    Re: World's First GM Babies Born

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    100,000 years isn't terribly long in the evolutionary scale, but there's a list that immediately comes to mind:
    1) the appendix
    2) walking upright all the time
    3) hips, primarily on females, have narrowed significantly
    4) hair patterns and distribution
    5) length and utility of fingers/toes
    6) brain size/skull size
    I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you saying that these are useful adaptations?

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    Re: World's First GM Babies Born

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I have a question.

    If we manage to "fix" life so that we no longer need to worry about disease and genetic "disabilities" then aren't we also shutting off the mechanism by which we evolve as a species? Are we really so arrogant as to believe that as a species we have reached the pinnacle of our evolutionary journey and no longer need the trials of nature to encourage us in one direction or another?

    What happens next? Will we institute a UN council on biological desirability to sort out what the next level of human "progress" will be?

    In the past we have seen governments take on the role of God and gods and all those civilizations, no matter how great their accomplishments at the time, have fallen. There is a reason for that.

    Nature is entropic. It MUST be entropic because that diversity, including the pain and suffering that goes with it, is what gives our lives meaning and allows us to grow as individuals, as civilizations and as a species.
    Amen - and let's not forget that some diseases are found predominantly within some races and are we going to genetically eliminate what makes that race special at the same time the disease is hopefully eliminated. Skin cancer is a disease - do we alter people's pigmentation to eliminate skin cancers? Certain eye colors are more prone to cataracts or other sight related diseases - do we eliminate certain eye colors?

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    Re: World's First GM Babies Born

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I certainly appreciate what you're saying there, but does the possibility not exist that in solving one problem we're simply exacerbating others?

    We've got ~7 billion on this little planet as it is and population is growing logarithmically (on the steep end) if not expotentially.

    Meanwhile, we're depeleting natural resources at an ever increasing rate, creating polution like never before in history, and replacing traditional middle class jobs with machines.

    Sure, these kids are gonna be healthier than they would have otherwise have been, in a sense.

    But when they grow up jobless, with no access to clean water, breathing smog, and suffering from the kinds of communicable diseases that grow in poverty and squalor have we (or "science" really) done them any favors?

    Now obviously this is a "doom & gloom" assessment of the global future, and who knows, maybe cold fusion and perpetual motion machines and our ability to discern the secretes of the Universe once we learn to talk to the Dolphins will render it more apocryphal than prophetic.

    But it's at least something to think about.

    Packing more people onto the planet by means of circumventing Darwin might just hasten our demise as a species.
    Don't worry - the genetically improved newbies will find a way to eliminate less pure oldies like me.

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    Re: World's First GM Babies Born

    Does this story make anyone else think of Gattaca?

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    Re: World's First GM Babies Born

    Genetics? OMGZ****INGNAZIS.

    They're taking mitochondrial DNA from one person, and injecting into someone else's mitochondria in the hope the bit of mDNA that is stopping person B from being fertile will be replaced. You're still getting genes from another imperfect person. It's adding extra genetic information one generation earlier than it otherwise would.
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    Re: World's First GM Babies Born

    Quote Originally Posted by Un biased View Post
    The fact that children being born with with higher intelegence is so scary I need to lock my door... Yeah no child deserves a advantage in life .
    OMG, not geeks that cannot be beat up and tormented their whole lives. Wow, what a terrible thing to create. RGIII, watchout, competition coming in a couple of decades.
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    Re: World's First GM Babies Born

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I agree, it could be - you, however, have more faith in the human race than I do at this point in time.
    That, and the fact that in science, we do things just because we can, and because we are fascinated, and not necessarily because we always should. Being too focused on pure science has its strong points, but we need to recognize the negatives as well, and imo, breeding humans to be something more than we are, is playing with fire.
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    Re: World's First GM Babies Born

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That, and the fact that in science, we do things just because we can, and because we are fascinated, and not necessarily because we always should. Being too focused on pure science has its strong points, but we need to recognize the negatives as well, and imo, breeding humans to be something more than we are, is playing with fire.
    I agree, just on base instinct I don't like it, but as a retired person my time on this planet is more limited than others who will likely be around much longer - perhaps that's the kind of world they will want and the kind of world I grew up in will be considered quaint

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