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    Re: World's First GM Babies Born

    This stuff always reminds me of Hitler.

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    Re: World's First GM Babies Born

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    This stuff always reminds me of Hitler.
    I feel the same way about German Shepherds.
    So follow me into the desert
    As desperate as you are
    Where the moon is glued to a picture of heaven
    And all the little pigs have God

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    Re: World's First GM Babies Born

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You're entitled to do all the hand wringing you want. Just mind your own yard and let others alone to do what they wish with their own genomes.
    I don't think so. Concern for the totality of human kind trumps ignorance and willfulness.

    If one of my grand kids or a friend's grand [ or greatgrand] child end up breeding with one of these freaks of science, well, lets just say, I'd like to keep my options open.

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    Re: World's First GM Babies Born

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The potential for enhancing the lives of individuals who would otherwise be born with serious health issues is enormous, and quite exciting. These are baby steps toward a future when no child will ever have to face a life of pain and crippling disease if inter-utero genetic modification can eliminate the genetic cause. This is a good thing. I'm not understanding the fear and negativity. This is truly an amazing and awesome scientific breakthrough!
    I agree, but can understand the fear and negativity.

    I have a god daughter with downs syndrome. I love her, and would do anything I could to help her have a happy life. If I could snap my fingers and make her downs go away, I'd do it in no seconds flat. And if I was a parent and knew my child was going to have something like that and I could spare them the pain and trouble that goes along with something so serious, I'd do what I could to help them with that.

    I have a friend born without a leg beyond the knee one side and beyond the shin on the other. He's perservered wonderfully (was actually a wrestler in high school) but I don't doubt that if you ask him "hey, if you could've been born with both full working legs, would you have preferre that" that he'd say yes.

    My family has a history of heart problems. Great grandfather died from a heart attack young. My grandfather died at 36 to a heart attack. My uncle has been on heart medication since he was in his early 20's. I could easily have seen my mom, if it was available, taking steps to remove the genetic disposition I'd have to heart issues.

    I understand all those things and couldn't blame a parent one bit for doing them...and really could view them as very good things.

    But I fully understand the worry over the technology....

    How many steps is it from removing a genetic predisposition for Downs Syndrome to trying to impart a genetic disposition for high IQ?

    How many steps is it from removing a genetic defect for a deformity to trying to tinker because they don't want a kid with freckles?

    How many steps is it from removing the genetic predisposition for heart disease to actually trying to cultivate a heart capble of peek athlete levels cardiovascular activity in maturity?

    I can fully understand the worry that we'll go from using it to correct/limit dabilitating handicaps to using it to create a "superior" breed of human for those with the cash to do it.

    As to those saying it's unnatural...I have issues with that. Is it unnatural for a damn built by a beaver to block a water way? Is this tinkering not coming about due to our NATURAL ability to reason and think leading to us discovering the methods for which to do it?

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    Re: World's First GM Babies Born

    You know what's interesting here is everyone hates Monsanto for its genetically altered seed but they are fine with doing the very same to human babies. apparently doing it in corn is evil in babies is good.

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    Re: World's First GM Babies Born

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    As an artist I do. The same part of the brain responsible for depression is the same part that deals with creativity. Who seriously wants to have a chronically depressed kid? So you start screwing around with one issue don't be terribly surprised if another thing goes too.
    Even if you did have evidence for this, and this were true.... that'd almost be a reason to push it forward even more. You mean we will have less self loathing teenagers littering the internet with bad post structural poems instead of being productive members of society? Count me in.

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    Re: World's First GM Babies Born

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You know what's interesting here is everyone hates Monsanto for its genetically altered seed but they are fine with doing the very same to human babies. apparently doing it in corn is evil in babies is good.
    I think you will have to show that the same people who don't like genetically altered corn are in approval of genetic alterations with babies.

    I worry about the unintended consequences of genetically altering anything.

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    Re: World's First GM Babies Born

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Even if you did have evidence for this, and this were true.... that'd almost be a reason to push it forward even more. You mean we will have less self loathing teenagers littering the internet with bad post structural poems instead of being productive members of society? Count me in.
    But then the value of bad poetry would shoot through the roof. I don't think you've thought this through.

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    Re: World's First GM Babies Born

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    As an artist I do. The same part of the brain responsible for depression is the same part that deals with creativity. Who seriously wants to have a chronically depressed kid? So you start screwing around with one issue don't be terribly surprised if another thing goes too.

    I think this is the more salient point. Messing with genetics when we don't actually understand the full ramifications of such meddling is a recipe for pain and suffering.

    I really don't get the enthusiasm... we can't even understand the human body well enough to avoid regularly producing medicines that kill us AND do what they are supposed to... but playing with human DNA is A-OK?
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    Re: World's First GM Babies Born

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Ok, thanks.
    I can't find the damn thing -- I know it's out there somewhere.

    Oh well. Anyway, if they were able to cure depression without harming creativity it's hardly like I'd have a problem with that. I do find it kind of doubtful that there is a universal constant like the speed of light that demands that if you cure depression you MUST eliminate creativity.

    Still, it's kind of hard to see how this doesn't lead to a Gattaca scenario.

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