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Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

who said that gosnell's clinic would have some drastic effect on that number? The issue raised was that the number is unreliable, due to the inability to audit and lack oversight. Gosnell just serves as an example to show how those metrics make such possible with a real world example.

No, all you have done is indicate that the # might not be 100% accurate.

You haven't shown that it's inaccuracy is of any significance or large enough to refute Minnie's claim that post-viability abortions are anything but a miniscule portion of the whole

IOW, Big Effin Deal.
 
No, all you have done is indicate that the # might not be 100% accurate.

You haven't shown that it's inaccuracy is of any significance or large enough to refute Minnie's claim that post-viability abortions are anything but a miniscule portion of the whole

IOW, Big Effin Deal.

No, an inability to audit or indepently verify the information would clearly call it into question.
 
It's obvious that you have no evidence that Minnie's claim is untrue

Nor is there any evidence that it is true. It should be discarded until a complete investigation is done.
 
Nor is there any evidence that it is true. It should be discarded until a complete investigation is done.

Which is the point some seem invested in ignoring: that the numbers are questionable due to poor controls on reporting. As we can see with gosnell, lacking over sight, doctors are free to report what they want.
 
Doctors are not free to report anything they want to.

A very few doctors however, do not follow the lawand they should not be allowed to practice.

The Tulsa, Oklahoma,a dentist who may have exposed to HIV and hepatitis, to his patients during the last 6 years is another example of a professional who should not be allowed to practice.

Dentist's office a 'perfect storm' for HIV, hepatitis exposure - CNN.com

Thankfully these types of atrocities are very rare
 
Doctors are not free to report anything they want to.

I just showed how a lack of oversight directly lead to someone reporting data that was simply not true

A very few doctors however, do not follow the lawand they should not be allowed to practice.

The discussion is about the unreliability of data, when there is no means to audit it or control for quality. If such issues exist, as they clearly did in PA, it doesn't matter what you personally think of the doctor, their data becomes suspect

The Tulsa, Oklahoma,a dentist who may have exposed to HIV and hepatitis, to his patients during the last 6 years is another example of a professional who should not be allowed to practice.

Who, ironically, was likely under more oversight than Gosnell ...
 
There is no evidence that PP knew of any crime.

You can't demonstrate the moral superiority of your position by lying about PP

Pro-lifers, including on this forum, incessantly lie about PP - over and over.
 
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Who, ironically, was likely under more oversight than Gosnell ...

Right...It only took the health department 6 years to find out the dentist was not practicing safe dentistry.
 
Right...It only took the health department 6 years to find out the dentist was not practicing safe dentistry.

Minnie, I suggest learning how to construct an argument. case in point: you attempt to refute my claim about a disparity in over sight by citing a story about a visibly clean dentist office that was investigated after complaints were filed, and then shut down.

In Gosnell's case, we have a visibly dirty abortionist office, that was not investigated even after patient's deaths, and when inspections were held, and the place deemed to be in violation on multiple levels, nothing was done.

So it does not refute my claim. Because even the very minor oversight that was employed in Oklahoma, at an oral surgeon's office, was completely absent from the Gosnell case
 
Doctors are not free to report anything they want to.

A very few doctors however, do not follow the lawand they should not be allowed to practice.

The Tulsa, Oklahoma,a dentist who may have exposed to HIV and hepatitis, to his patients during the last 6 years is another example of a professional who should not be allowed to practice.

Dentist's office a 'perfect storm' for HIV, hepatitis exposure - CNN.com

Thankfully these types of atrocities are very rare

We need more investigations and inspections of dentists

Maybe even a ban on dentistry!
 
We need more investigations and inspections of dentists

Maybe even a ban on dentistry!

well, first, yes, places rendering medical services should be held to oversight. Second, pointing out the obvious lack of oversight, and the issues it caused, isn't endorsing a ban on abortions.

See, this is where you people are ****ing up: delivering reasonable safe guards to the procedure isn't a ban.
 
well, first, yes, places rendering medical services should be held to oversight. Second, pointing out the obvious lack of oversight, and the issues it caused, isn't endorsing a ban on abortions.

See, this is where you people are ****ing up: delivering reasonable safe guards to the procedure isn't a ban.

Actually, this is where the right ****s up

They're the ones who oppose govt oversight and regulation.
 
Actually, this is where the right ****s up

They're the ones who oppose govt oversight and regulation.

what a completely idiotic remark to make, right after you equate oversight with an attempt to shut down abortion access.
 
And another attempt at misrepresenting another person's post

What a surprise!! :roll:

Yeah...what a surprise!

I used to give him the benefit of the doubt ..thinking he did not understand American English but now I am beginning to think his misrepresentations are no accident.
 
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And no, splitting into twins does not mean that it is "reproducing". In order to reproduce it has to come from one or more seperate entities creating a second or more entity. Edit: Unless you are contending that an egg is an entity?

So then bacteria aren't alive? You do realize that the vast majority of life on the planet reproduces by splitting in two, right?
 
Yeah...what a surprise!

I used to give him the benefit of the doubt ..thinking he did not understand American English but now I am beginning to think his misrepresentations are no accident.

above that is exactly what he did: characterized complaints about complete lack of over sight, that lead to deaths and injuries, as a call to ban abortion

But of course, you have been caught numerous times trying to distort what was in the GJR and what happened at the clinic, so I'll take such judgement from you for what they are worth
 
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So then bacteria aren't alive? You do realize that the vast majority of life on the planet reproduces by splitting in two, right?

You might want to re-read that as what I said includes them.
 
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You might want to re-read that as what I said includes them.

If you're talking about "separate entity"? Many bacteria live mutually or parasitically off of another organism, they're still life.
 
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If you're talking about "separate entity"? Many bacteria live mutually or parasitically off of another organism, they're still life.

Despite being parasitic they are still seperate entities. They do not require a specific person/body to thrive. They only need a body. Could be human, could be rat, could be mesquito, could be pig or cow or any other of the thousands of species on this planet. That is of course over simplifying things enourmously but the essense and point is there.
 
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Despite being parasitic they are still seperate entities. They do not require a specific person/body to thrive. They only need a body. Could be human, could be rat, could be mesquito, could be pig or cow or any other of the thousands of species on this planet. That is of course over simplifying things enourmously but the essense and point is there.

A zygote can be transferred to another womb or an artificial womb.
 
Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

A zygote can be transferred to another womb or an artificial womb.

Not yet they can't. Once that does become a regular reality then you might see more support for the pro-life position.
 
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