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Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

You clearly wrote

AGENT J said:
which nobody was talking about :shrug:
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But you did talk about it, like the quote clearly indicates above


see this bolded and underline part, this is why you fail AGAIN, and have egg all over your face LMAO
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that's called shifting goal posts. Like say where you bring up an issue that you think impacts the ability to report. Like, I don't know, possibly privacy policies. But when someone points out they actually have no impact on the ability to report, you go "oh, that isn't relevant to the case, anyway". Despite the fact that you just brought it up as relevant ...
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
You clearly wrote



But you did talk about it, like the quote clearly indicates above
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wrong again, my qoute was to YOUR post and how YOU were TRYING anf ailed to connect my post to this case.

NOBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT PRIVACY as related to this case in my post, thanks again for showing us how you makke stuff up

so i ask you AGAIN, since you keep dodging it :alughat:

destroying you is fun


can you point out where i said that privacy had anything to do with this case???????

im still waiting for this ?
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
that's called shifting goal posts. Like say where you bring up an issue that you think impacts the ability to report. Like, I don't know, possibly privacy policies. But when someone points out they actually have no impact on the ability to report, you go "oh, that isn't relevant to the case, anyway". Despite the fact that you just brought it up as relevant ...
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nope its called FACTS, nice edit though glad i saw it

again this is a case of how you make stuff up in your head, i NEVER brought it up as relevant, not one time this is another LIE buy you and shows how you cant decipher from reality, facts and your assumptions.

if you disagree PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE link where i said it was relevant to this case, pleeeeeeeease, so i can destroy that failed lie too :D

i even say right in that post that my story has no impact to this case "lamo" would you like to read it again????

here is that part of my post, read it slow

AGENT J said:
notice how i didnt bring that up until now because i realize its meaningless to the facts of this case
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BOOM!!!

more egg on your face LMAO

please stop lying you are only making your posts look more dishonest and illogical than they already do :laughat:
 
AGENT J;1061738012BOOM!!!:[/QUOTE said:
meaningless to the fact =/= not relevent
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Dr. Chuckles said:
meaningless to the fact =/= not relevent
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LMAO!

now you are just continuing to lie because you got caught, please stop, all the posts are still here, you cant save face you lied and were wrong and you are continuing to do so :)

are you claiming that when i said that my example is "meaningless to the facts of this case" that i didnt really mean it?:lamo

you lose again
 
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AGENT J said:
thanks for proving us right! good job!

and also currently this whole post/opinion fails because of the main argument, there were no KNOWN CRIMES that PP was aware of.
if that changes i hope action is taken to the fullest of the law :shrug:
guess we just want to forget about innocent to proven guilty now huh? LMAO

dishonesty and biased from some people never seems to amaze me,

Also as many have stated in this thread and share this opinion if all this stuff is true i also hope this guy get the death penalty, weird huh? explain that one?
its because there seems to be actual proof of him being guilty LOL
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Oh stop with the "dishonesty" flamebait can we? I acknowledged that you are correct in one aspect, and that is without an investigation into what PP knew, and didn't know, we won't know for sure how deep their complicit activity in failing to report, or pass on the complaints of Gosnell's practice were. They sure aren't going to be stupid enough to reveal that publicly if they feel that they are close to breaking any laws, and I wouldn't expect them to.

But I do thank you for your honesty in saying that IF they did know of these things, and it is revealed that you believe that prosecution is in order.

All of this is so stomach churning disgusting, and casts such a bad light on the abortion practice in this country that I can see why the pro choice crowd is trying everything they can to dismiss, suppress, and nit pick the claims made. But you have to know that it only makes your side of the argument look desperate.

I don't think that Gosnell is a singular event in that community either. Also, the state regulatory agency in PA that failed to do their job in this case should be overhauled, and the supervisors of this agency fired, and possibly brought up on charges as well.

It's disgusting, and I hope that Gosnell burns in hell.
 
sangha said:
There is no evidence that PP knew of any crime.

You can't demonstrate the moral superiority of your position by lying about PP
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OK, then change that to potential crime and the point still stands. You don't get off the hook for "encouraging" other people to report it. They have a unique position of having multiple corroborating reports of deplorable conditions at the clinic and they admit they did nothing. Inexcusable.
 
jmotivator said:
OK, then change that to potential crime and the point still stands. You don't get off the hook for "encouraging" other people to report it. They have a unique position of having multiple corroborating reports of deplorable conditions at the clinic and they admit they did nothing. Inexcusable.
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There is no evidence that PP knew of any potential crime.

You can't demonstrate the moral superiority of your position by lying about PP
 
sangha said:
There is no evidence that PP knew of any potential crime.

You can't demonstrate the moral superiority of your position by lying about PP
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Sure there are. They were being told by patients of the deplorable conditions at the clinic.. conditions that were obviously potentially criminal because they led to criminal charges.
 
jmotivator said:
Sure there are. They were being told by patients of the deplorable conditions at the clinic.. conditions that were obviously potentially criminal because they led to criminal charges.
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Please post proof that PP received complaints about "deplorable conditions at the clinic"
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Right, I saw that post. But that is not what we are discussing here. What we are discussing is if PP had a moral and professional obligation to report such, independent of their patiants.

I don't know about you, but this is a standard I would apply to any healthcare professional, and for good reason. Mainly because they understand the legal and ethical framework such institutions need to operate under, in a way that is completely inaccessible to most of the public
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Agreed. And I do think that the ethical/moral responsibility is at the heart of the discussion.
 
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j-mac said:
1.)Oh stop with the "dishonesty" flamebait can we?
2.)I acknowledged that you are correct in one aspect, and that is without an investigation into what PP knew, and didn't know, we won't know for sure how deep their complicit activity in failing to report, or pass on the complaints of Gosnell's practice were. They sure aren't going to be stupid enough to reveal that publicly if they feel that they are close to breaking any laws, and I wouldn't expect them to.

3.)But I do thank you for your honesty in saying that IF they did know of these things, and it is revealed that you believe that prosecution is in order.

4.)All of this is so stomach churning disgusting, and casts such a bad light on the abortion practice in this country

5.) I can see why the pro choice crowd is trying everything they can to dismiss, suppress, and nit pick the claims made. But you have to know that it only makes your side of the argument look desperate.

6.)I don't think that Gosnell is a singular event in that community either.

7.)Also, the state regulatory agency in PA that failed to do their job in this case should be overhauled, and the supervisors of this agency fired, and possibly brought up on charges as well.

It's disgusting, and I hope that Gosnell burns in hell.
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1.) nothing dishonest or flambait about what i said, no need to get your panties in a bunch because you were wrong :shrug: lol
2.) its good you acknowledge facts, good job
3.) of course :shrug: if PP or anybody at PP broke laws or violated protocols they should be punished accordingly! I would never feel otherwise about that.
4.) I totally disagree, it casts a bad light on Dr. Gosnell and those responsible. Its stupid to judge all of abortion on this just like it would be stud to judge all black, women, Christians, Muslims etc one one.
5.) wrong again unless you have some example you are referring to, in this thread people wanted FACTS, thats not nitpicking, dismissing or suppressing anything LMAO
people who want facts look smart, honest and objective, those that dont and guess and assume based on biased not so much ;)

can you explain on any rational, honest, logical level how wanting facts makes one look desperate and is nitpicking LMAO id love to read that logic.
as a matter of fact can you point to one person here that if gosnell or pp is guilty that dont want them punished? Ill gladly bash them with you if such a desperate person exits.

6.) community? im not sure what community you are referring to but in general im sure there are more bad doctors out there in all fields including the abortion field. Bad doctors arent unheard of and they get caught regular in many fields.

7.) I agree if in fact they failed and violated laws and protocols YES they should be punished, fired, imprisoned etc what ever their violations warrant.

8.) if all this is true and it certainly seems that way, i think itd be more fun to bring back public stonings! but hey thats just me.
 
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sangha said:
There is no evidence PP knew of the things you mention

You can't demonstrate the moral superiority of your position by lying about PP
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Then what "complaints" or "problems" do you think these women might have been referring to, keeping in mind that there were babies feet stored in glass jars, blood everywhere, filthy surroundings, and so on. Do you tend to believe these complaints took the form of not keeping appointments, or something along that line?
 
Grant said:
Then what "complaints" or "problems" do you think these women might have been referring to, keeping in mind that there were babies feet stored in glass jars, blood everywhere, filthy surroundings, and so on. Do you tend to believe these complaints took the form of not keeping appointments, or something along that line?
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Like you, I have no knowledge about the specifics of the complaints they received

Unlike you, I rely on facts when making claims. Your claims rely on lies.
 
sangha said:
Like you, I have no knowledge about the specifics of the complaints they received

Unlike you, I rely on facts when making claims. Your claims rely on lies.
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Lies?

We do know that PP was informed of "complaints" about the "House Of Horrors", correct?

We know that they were informed of "problems" at the "House of Horrors", correct?

We know they did nothing to help these women and babies, correct?

And we know you have no knowledge of any of this, correct?
 
Grant said:
Lies?

We do know that PP was informed of "complaints" about the "House Of Horrors", correct?

We know that they were informed of "problems" at the "House of Horrors", correct?

We know they did nothing to help these women and babies, correct?

And we know you have no knowledge of any of this, correct?
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I said that we "have no knowledge about the specifics of the complaints"

So all four of your statements were incorrect
 
sangha said:
I said that we "have no knowledge about the specifics of the complaints"

So all four of your statements were incorrect
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And despite all the details in this "House Of Horrors" being made public you have no idea whatsoever what form these complaints might have taken, correct?

If you have no idea about the specifics, as you claim, how do you know what was correct or incorrect?
 
Grant said:
And despite all the details in this "House Of Horrors" being made public you have no idea whatsoever what form these complaints might have taken, correct?

If you have no idea about the specifics, as you claim, how do you know what was correct or incorrect?
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If you have any onformation about the specifics of the complaints received by PP, I'm all ears.

I have no interest in your dishonest "ideas"
 
It seems difficult to believe any complaints or problems made to PP didn't involve the amount of blood everywhere, disgusting unsanitary conditions, babies feet in jars, untrained staff, cats wandering around, at least one woman dying, and of course multiple babies as well..
 
Grant said:
It seems difficult to believe any complaints or problems made to PP didn't involve the amount of blood everywhere, disgusting unsanitary conditions, babies feet in jars, untrained staff, cats wandering around, at least one woman dying, and of course multiple babies as well..
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You inability to believe it has no bearing on whether it is true or not.
 
sangha said:
You inability to believe it has no bearing on whether it is true or not.
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It is all true. It's in the indictment and there are multiple witnesses. It seems you don't know what went on there.
 
Grant said:
It is all true. It's in the indictment and there are multiple witnesses. It seems you don't know what went on there.
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It is a lie to claim that the indictment contains the specifics of the complaints received by PP
 
sangha said:
It is a lie to claim that the indictment contains the specifics of the complaints received by PP
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Actually I said it was difficult to believe they didn't know. What do you suppose these patients might have been complaining about? Do you think all these facts in the indictment were normal and people wouldn't complain?
 
Grant said:
Actually I said it was difficult to believe they didn't know. What do you suppose these patients might have been complaining about? Do you think all these facts in the indictment were normal and people wouldn't complain?
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I'll refer you back to one of my earlier posts

sangha said:
Like you, I have no knowledge about the specifics of the complaints they received

Unlike you, I rely on facts when making claims. Your claims rely on lies.
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sangha said:
Like you, I have no knowledge about the specifics of the complaints they received
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But any complaints or problems reported about the House of Horrors was probably nothing serious.
 
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