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Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

j-mac said:
Prohibition was a Constitutional amendment that was reversed through another Constitutional amendment....See, that is how it is supposed to work....Not a body of 9 unelected judges for life making law from the bench. You should know the difference.
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True but I was poorly trying to say that constitutional amendments are a million times harder to reverse than a court ruling. I admit that I didn't say it well... or at all. That was what was in my hands that apparently didn't make it to my fingers.
 
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poweRob said:
don't know Gosnell. Anywhoo... this thread isn't about the SCOTUS ruling. It's about calling people abiding by the SCOTUS ruling criminals. It's a load-a-crap.
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What do you mean you don't know Gosnell? He is whom this thread is about....How can you not know? It is in the article in the OP for goodness sake....And I got news for ya, Abortions performed after 24 weeks in this country are illegal.
 
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j-mac said:
No, I am afraid not....I quoted the wrong response from you, but then changed it to the correct one...Did you not type what I posted?
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Now you're lying. I never said what you originally quoted me as saying. You posted something *you* said as if I said it

And what's there now is what I said, and I said it to you. It does not say anything about you lying, and every word of it is true.
 
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j-mac said:
I believe the law was decided wrongly. However, this thread is NOT about Roe. That doesn't mean that when the discussion involves Roe, I can respond to it, just as I can try and bring the topic of the thread back to what it is rather than let those dishonestly trying to derail the thread get away with it....So, stay on topic.
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You continue to post dishonest arguments

The fact remains that your post referred to Roe v Wade, and you did claim that parameters the law uses is wrong. Then you tried to deny what you said and misrepresent it as being about the Gosnell trial.

Whether you like it or not, the abortions that have been performed, and continue to be performed, will never be called murder, even if RvW is overturned. Your entire position is a dishonest one.
 
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sangha said:
Now you're lying. I never said what you originally quoted me as saying. You posted something *you* said as if I said it

And what's there now is what I said, and I said it to you. It does not say anything about you lying, and every word of it is true.
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What do you mean when you say:

"That's true. There's no law that makes telling a lie a crime."

After I said what I said in the post directly above that....?
 
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j-mac said:
What do you mean when you say:

"That's true. There's no law that makes telling a lie a crime."

After I said what I said in the post directly above that....?
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Which word are you having a problem with?
 
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sangha said:
You continue to post dishonest arguments

The fact remains that your post referred to Roe v Wade, and you did claim that parameters the law uses is wrong. Then you tried to deny what you said and misrepresent it as being about the Gosnell trial.

Whether you like it or not, the abortions that have been performed, and continue to be performed, will never be called murder, even if RvW is overturned. Your entire position is a dishonest one.
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1. The thread title is: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

2. I do believe that the parameters deciding Roe, were wrongly decided. So?

3. My opinion is that it is murder....Regardless of what ever you say, or call me....

Now stop with the childish crap and grow up will ya?
 
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j-mac said:
What do you mean you don't know Gosnell? He is whom this thread is about....How can you not know? It is in the article in the OP for goodness sake....And I got news for ya, Abortions performed after 24 weeks in this country are illegal.
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My bad. I didn't know gosnell. I do now. I heard the name first the other day in here when someone made the thread about flushing a baby in a toilet. Still don't know much about the guy at all. I know there is a bunch of things about heinous abortions being thrown at him but the topic of abortion itself is so FoS because it is generally filled with people who are so willing to lie and smear that generally I tend to stay away from the topic. But the law is the law. And calling people abiding by the law, criminals... that's where the truth becomes the casualty.
 
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j-mac said:
1. The thread title is: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

2. I do believe that the parameters deciding Roe, were wrongly decided. So?

3. My opinion is that it is murder....Regardless of what ever you say, or call me....

Now stop with the childish crap and grow up will ya?
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1) So what? I was referring to your post, not the thread title

2) Proof that you were talking about RvW, even though you dishonestly tried to deny that

3) That is a lie. Facts are not subject to your opinion, and abortion is not murder
 
j-mac said:
On that front it's really kind of simple...nota already did the research that it isn't law to report in PA, (I don't think that is proper) but be that the case there is an ethical component to this...

1.)If a Doctor at PP, was aware that Gosnell was killing live babies in his clinic then as a physician he has an obligation to report it.

2.)We have laws in this country that if you know of a crime being committed and you don't report it, then you are also guilty of a crime....It's called accessory.
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1.) yes i agree and we have no evidence that this is the case, thanks for further making my point for me
2.) very good that the whole point theres nothing so far that says anybody at PP factually new

thanks for further explaining and supporting what we are saying :)
 
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poweRob said:
My bad. I didn't know gosnell. I do now. I heard the name first the other day in here when someone made the thread about flushing a baby in a toilet. Still don't know much about the guy at all. I know there is a bunch of things about heinous abortions being thrown at him but the topic of abortion itself is so FoS because it is generally filled with people who are so willing to lie and smear that generally I tend to stay away from the topic. But the law is the law. And calling people abiding by the law, criminals... that's where the truth becomes the casualty.
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You don't know much about it, nor do millions of others, and that's part of the larger point. Why Dr. Kermit Gosnell's Trial Should Be a Front-Page Story - Conor Friedersdorf - The Atlantic
 
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sangha said:
1) Facts are not subject to your opinion, and abortion is not murder
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That's what's taking the life of an innocent victim is usually called.
 
AGENT J said:
1.) yes i agree and we have no evidence that this is the case, thanks for further making my point for me
2.) very good that the whole point theres nothing so far that says anybody at PP factually new

thanks for further explaining and supporting what we are saying :)
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"...Planned Parenthood Southeast Pennsylvania president and CEO Dayle Steinberg admitted this week at a fundraiser that the abortion business knew of the problems at Gosnell’s Philadelphia abortion facility.

Apparently Planned Parenthood did not report it to the state health department or other state or local officials who could have done something about it. Instead, it appears the abortion giant left it up to women Gosnell injured or traumatized to make public officials aware of his House of Horrors." Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors | Dr. Kermit Gosnell | Fox Nation
 
Again, if someone disputes what Steinberg is quoted as saying, please provide the info. I hope we can all agree that the truth is in service to any POV.

Insofar as I am aware, Steinberg hasn't denied saying what is quoted. And the issue is whether abortion providers across several states saw Gosnell as a "niche player" (see linked Wall Street Journal article) and remained silent when baseline ethics required them to report what they knew. Steinberg acknowledged that PP knew there was a problem and urged women to report.

Why didn't other healthcare providers report Gosnell? We're talking about decades of abuse. They could've done so anonymously, you know. Pennsylvania does have a way to anonymously report, but the catch is that it has to be at your own healthcare facility.

However, as WSJ noted, Gosnell was finally busted not because of healthcare but, rather, because of narcotics. You can narc in PA, and you can also anonymously report hazmat to OSHA and the EPA.

http://patientsafetyauthority.org/N...hures/Documents/brochure_Anonymous_2007_3.pdf

Report Spills and Environmental Violations | US EPA

Etc.
 
Grant said:
"...Planned Parenthood Southeast Pennsylvania president and CEO Dayle Steinberg admitted this week at a fundraiser that the abortion business knew of the problems at Gosnell’s Philadelphia abortion facility.

Apparently Planned Parenthood did not report it to the state health department or other state or local officials who could have done something about it. Instead, it appears the abortion giant left it up to women Gosnell injured or traumatized to make public officials aware of his House of Horrors." Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors | Dr. Kermit Gosnell | Fox Nation
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and then later in the article those "problems" where women who had complaints?
they had nothgin to report but hearsay

they did not factually know exactly what was going on :shrug:

if you or anybody can prove otherwise then im on board.

so far i see no reason for PP to report anything since they didnt have anything to report.

ive told doctors how i didnt like other doctors and how i thought they sucked etc, even won that i totally thought did something completely wrong and another doctor agreed that, wondering those doctors where reported.
 
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Grant said:
That's what's taking the life of an innocent victim is usually called.
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No, murder is the illegal killing of a person. A ZEF is not a person, so it is not illegal to kill it. Therefore, it is not murder.

As far as what people call "murder", I'm well aware that there are people dishonest enough to claim that abortion is murder.
 
nota bene said:
Again, if someone disputes what Steinberg is quoted as saying, please provide the info. I hope we can all agree that the truth is in service to any POV.

Insofar as I am aware, Steinberg hasn't denied saying what is quoted. And the issue is whether abortion providers across several states saw Gosnell as a "niche player" (see linked Wall Street Journal article) and remained silent when baseline ethics required them to report what they knew. Steinberg acknowledged that PP knew there was a problem and urged women to report.

Why didn't other healthcare providers report Gosnell? We're talking about decades of abuse. They could've done so anonymously, you know. Pennsylvania does have a way to anonymously report, but the catch is that it has to be at your own healthcare facility.

However, as WSJ noted, Gosnell was finally busted not because of healthcare but, rather, because of narcotics. You can narc in PA, and you can also anonymously report hazmat to OSHA and the EPA.

http://patientsafetyauthority.org/N...hures/Documents/brochure_Anonymous_2007_3.pdf

Report Spills and Environmental Violations | US EPA

Etc.
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Steingberg is not quoted as saying that he or anyone at PP knew that Gosnell was murdering born children.
 
Legally and for now this is true.
 
nota bene said:
Again, if someone disputes what Steinberg is quoted as saying, please provide the info. I hope we can all agree that the truth is in service to any POV.

Insofar as I am aware, Steinberg hasn't denied saying what is quoted. And the issue is whether abortion providers across several states saw Gosnell as a "niche player" (see linked Wall Street Journal article) and remained silent when baseline ethics required them to report what they knew. Steinberg acknowledged that PP knew there was a problem and urged women to report.

Why didn't other healthcare providers report Gosnell? We're talking about decades of abuse. They could've done so anonymously, you know. Pennsylvania does have a way to anonymously report, but the catch is that it has to be at your own healthcare facility.

However, as WSJ noted, Gosnell was finally busted not because of healthcare but, rather, because of narcotics. You can narc in PA, and you can also anonymously report hazmat to OSHA and the EPA.

http://patientsafetyauthority.org/N...hures/Documents/brochure_Anonymous_2007_3.pdf

Report Spills and Environmental Violations | US EPA

Etc.
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no one is disputing what he said we are taking it for exactly what he said instead of speculating and guessing.

he knew of problems because of some complaints form woman, thats it. so PP told those woman to file complaints because they were the ones with the accusations. PP knew of nothing but that of woman complaints.
are those "facts"?
does than mean he knew exactly what factually was going on?

so far with all the sources the answer is absolute not :shrug:

so you have anything that proves otherwise

are you stating that PP factually knew that gosell was violating the law? if you are id love to see the proof of that because then PP would be in hot water and they should be.
 
nota bene said:
Legally and for now this is true.
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nope its not, the thread title is not true because its all inclusive :shrug:

all the links said he was aware of complaints that some woman had, anything else is a guess.
 
nota bene said:
Legally and for now this is true.
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No, even if RvW is overturned, the abortions being performed now will never be considered murder under the law because the definition of murder requires that it be illegal. Currently abortions are legal, so they will never be murder. Only abortions performed *after* RvW is overturned will be considered murder, under the law.

IOW, it is a lie to call these abortions murder. They aren't and will never be murder.
 
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sangha said:
No, murder is the illegal killing of a person. A ZEF is not a person, so it is not illegal to kill it. Therefore, it is not murder.

As far as what people call "murder", I'm well aware that there are people dishonest enough to claim that abortion is murder.
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It's a living human. It is the taking of an innocent human life.

Those are the facts.
 
the definition of murder requires that it be illegal
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ignorance exceeded only by arrogance

but greater than these is hate

Abrams was 17 when she went to the Women’s Medical Society for a late-term abortion on July, 12, 2008. Earlier in the trial, Abrams testified that she was 29 weeks (slightly more than 7 months) pregnant and that the abortion sent her to the hospital for two weeks with complications, including a blood clot in her heart. Abortions after 24 weeks are illegal in Pennsylvania.
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Gosnell Trial Witness: Baby Abortion Survivor Was 'Swimming' in Toilet 'Trying to Get Out' | CNS News

if the baby is not alive, why slit its neck

baby boy b | CNS News

why won't obama come out against scissors?

President Obama on Gosnell abortion trial - Video on TODAY.com

war on women, anyone?

shame
 
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