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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    who said that gosnell's clinic would have some drastic effect on that number? The issue raised was that the number is unreliable, due to the inability to audit and lack oversight. Gosnell just serves as an example to show how those metrics make such possible with a real world example.
    No, all you have done is indicate that the # might not be 100% accurate.

    You haven't shown that it's inaccuracy is of any significance or large enough to refute Minnie's claim that post-viability abortions are anything but a miniscule portion of the whole

    IOW, Big Effin Deal.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, all you have done is indicate that the # might not be 100% accurate.

    You haven't shown that it's inaccuracy is of any significance or large enough to refute Minnie's claim that post-viability abortions are anything but a miniscule portion of the whole

    IOW, Big Effin Deal.
    No, an inability to audit or indepently verify the information would clearly call it into question.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    No, an inability to audit or indepently verify the information would clearly call it into question.
    It's obvious that you have no evidence that Minnie's claim is untrue
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's obvious that you have no evidence that Minnie's claim is untrue
    Nor is there any evidence that it is true. It should be discarded until a complete investigation is done.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Nor is there any evidence that it is true. It should be discarded until a complete investigation is done.
    Which is the point some seem invested in ignoring: that the numbers are questionable due to poor controls on reporting. As we can see with gosnell, lacking over sight, doctors are free to report what they want.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Doctors are not free to report anything they want to.

    A very few doctors however, do not follow the lawand they should not be allowed to practice.

    The Tulsa, Oklahoma,a dentist who may have exposed to HIV and hepatitis, to his patients during the last 6 years is another example of a professional who should not be allowed to practice.

    Dentist's office a 'perfect storm' for HIV, hepatitis exposure - CNN.com

    Thankfully these types of atrocities are very rare
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Doctors are not free to report anything they want to.
    I just showed how a lack of oversight directly lead to someone reporting data that was simply not true

    A very few doctors however, do not follow the lawand they should not be allowed to practice.
    The discussion is about the unreliability of data, when there is no means to audit it or control for quality. If such issues exist, as they clearly did in PA, it doesn't matter what you personally think of the doctor, their data becomes suspect

    The Tulsa, Oklahoma,a dentist who may have exposed to HIV and hepatitis, to his patients during the last 6 years is another example of a professional who should not be allowed to practice.
    Who, ironically, was likely under more oversight than Gosnell ...

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There is no evidence that PP knew of any crime.

    You can't demonstrate the moral superiority of your position by lying about PP
    Pro-lifers, including on this forum, incessantly lie about PP - over and over.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    ?...

    Who, ironically, was likely under more oversight than Gosnell ...
    Right...It only took the health department 6 years to find out the dentist was not practicing safe dentistry.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Right...It only took the health department 6 years to find out the dentist was not practicing safe dentistry.
    Minnie, I suggest learning how to construct an argument. case in point: you attempt to refute my claim about a disparity in over sight by citing a story about a visibly clean dentist office that was investigated after complaints were filed, and then shut down.

    In Gosnell's case, we have a visibly dirty abortionist office, that was not investigated even after patient's deaths, and when inspections were held, and the place deemed to be in violation on multiple levels, nothing was done.

    So it does not refute my claim. Because even the very minor oversight that was employed in Oklahoma, at an oral surgeon's office, was completely absent from the Gosnell case

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