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Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

sangha said:
That's not murder.

That's the fact that counts
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The taking of an innocent human life is generally referred to as murder, although some prefer euphemisms.
 
Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

Grant said:
The taking of an innocent human life is generally referred to as murder, although some prefer euphemisms.
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Take it up with the SCOTUS. They say you are wrong.
 
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Grant said:
The taking of an innocent human life is generally referred to as murder, although some prefer euphemisms.
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and yet abortion is not factually murder. not sure why this fact bothers you.

nor is your description of "generally refereed to" accurate or factual "taking of an innocent human life is generally referred to as murder" this statement as you wrote it simply isnt true
 
Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

Grant said:
The taking of an innocent human life is generally referred to as murder, although some prefer euphemisms.
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Wrong. Murder is the illegal killing of another, although some prefer to lie about that

Abortion is legal.
 
Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

sangha said:
Wrong. Murder is the illegal killing of another, although some prefer to lie about that

Abortion is legal.
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Yes, it is.

So is the death penalty.

Doesn't make either one de facto right.
 
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nota bene said:
Yes, it is.

So is the death penalty.

Doesn't make either one de facto right.
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doesn't make either of them de facto wrong :shrug:
 
Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

nota bene said:
Yes, it is.

So is the death penalty.

Doesn't make either one de facto right.
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Doesn't make either one de facto wrong either

Morals are not "de facto" right or wrong. They are subjective
 
He voted against protecting these babies
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yes, and it's just another thing he can't talk about

women...

another is---terrorism

or muslim, or jihad

he can't talk about guns...

well, he can, but only if he wants to look like a loser

he can't talk about global warming

he can't really go gay marriage, cuz he aint goin nowhere

he can try to stand there and brag, but you know how they are

he wants to talk about universal preschool (and his cigarette tax)---but it's so small (in our existential era) it looks really dumb

he wants immigration, but his only chance is if he stays far away

the gang of 8 gotta do it, and if they do rubio will be as big a winner as barack

all that's left is TAXES

and he can't even really go, "tax the rich," anymore

not after all the stories about the hits hammering all the way down to the MIDDLE CLASS

politico's top story this morning (for example): Taxes: President Obama's budget would hit middle class - Steven Sloan - POLITICO.com

huffpo yesterday: Obama Budget Plan Results In 'Back Door' Tax Increase For Middle-Class Households

he wants to tax the internets, now

america has never seen such a taxer

nor such a spender

even his faa furlough and flight delay gambit backfired

republicans called out that he added a half billion dollar SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAM he's protecting

at the expense of safety and convenience

Blame game soars as air travel snarls - Burgess Everett - POLITICO.com

very ugly, he can't come out unbloodied

he'll be forced to drop it too---sequester

he has succeeded in marginalizing himself against the issues

and events are unequivocally NOT cooperating
 
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Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

poweRob said:
Take it up with the SCOTUS. They say you are wrong.
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Did they define the term 'murder'?

Perhaps you should think for yourself and the actual meaning of words rather than having to refer to 'a higher authority'.
 
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Grant said:
Did they define the term 'murder'?

Perhaps you should think for yourself and the actual meaning of words rather than having to refer to 'a higher authority'.
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Perhaps you could prove anything you say? Not citing racist blogs would be a great first start.
 
Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

sangha said:
Doesn't make either one de facto wrong either

Morals are not "de facto" right or wrong. They are subjective
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The taking of an innocent life is pretty much universally condemned. Or at least that used to be the case.
 
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poweRob said:
Perhaps you could prove anything you say? Not citing racist blogs would be a great first start.
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What 'racist blog' is that???
 
Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

Grant said:
Did they define the term 'murder'?

Perhaps you should think for yourself and the actual meaning of words rather than having to refer to 'a higher authority'.
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They determined what the word person, as used in the constitution, meant.

Abortion is legal. It is not murder
 
I get so tired of the "they can't live on their own so they aren't really people" crap.

A day old baby can't live on his own.
A 3-month old baby can't live on his own.
A 2 year old can't live on his own.
A 10 year old can't live on his own.

Heck - many adults can't live without sucking the teat of the government everyday.
 
Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

Grant said:
Did they define the term 'murder'?

Perhaps you should think for yourself and the actual meaning of words rather than having to refer to 'a higher authority'.
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yes they did, its the only way to factually define it legally LMAO

has nothgin to do with higher authority it about understanding facts and relaity and not being dishonest, biased or ignorant to facts.

all other made up definitions are flat out wrong or at best a subjective opinion

so in the end abortion is not factually not murder.

Not sure why this fact bothers you but denying this fact wont do anything to change it. Yesterday it was a fact, to day its a fact and tomorrow it will be a fact ;)
 
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Grant said:
What 'racist blog' is that???
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violenceagainstwhites.wordpress.com

muslimrapewave.wordpress.com

barenakedislam.com​

Some sites you cited just a few minutes ago. Short memory eh?
 
The Prof said:
yes, and it's just another thing he can't talk about

women...

another is---terrorism

or muslim, or jihad

he can't talk about guns...

well, he can, but only if he wants to look like a loser

he can't talk about global warming

he can't really go gay marriage, cuz he aint goin nowhere

he can try to stand there and brag, but you know how they are

he wants to talk about universal preschool (and his cigarette tax)---but it's so small (in our existential era) it looks really dumb

he wants immigration, but his only chance is if he stays far away

the gang of 8 gotta do it, and if they do rubio will be as big a winner as barack

all that's left is TAXES

and he can't even really go, "tax the rich," anymore

not after all the stories about the hits hammering all the way down to the MIDDLE CLASS

politico's top story this morning (for example): Taxes: President Obama's budget would hit middle class - Steven Sloan - POLITICO.com

huffpo yesterday: Obama Budget Plan Results In 'Back Door' Tax Increase For Middle-Class Households

he wants to tax the internets, now

america has never seen such a taxer

nor such a spender

even his faa furlough and flight delay gambit backfired

republicans called out that he added a half billion dollar SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAM he's protecting

at the expense of safety and convenience

Blame game soars as air travel snarls - Burgess Everett - POLITICO.com

very ugly, he can't come out unbloodied

he'll be forced to drop it too---sequester

he has succeeded in marginalizing himself against the issues

and events are unequivocally NOT cooperating
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But there is little anyone can do about it until the mid term elections.

This is macabre also. He calls the Little Rock shooting of two soldiers by a Muslim who murdered them in the name of Islam a “criminal act” and the Fort Hood shooting “workplace violence.” No terrorism on his watch!

He's an embarrassment.
 
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poweRob said:
violenceagainstwhites.wordpress.com

muslimrapewave.wordpress.com

barenakedislam.com​

Some sites you cited just a few minutes ago. Short memory eh?
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Racism against whom? I doubt that you're just high on life.
 
Grant said:
But there is little anyone can do about it until the mid term elections.

This is macabre also. He calls the Little Rock shooting of two soldiers by a Muslim who murdered them in the name of Islam a “criminal act” and the Fort Hood shooting “workplace violence.” No terrorism on his watch!

He's an embarrassment.
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Are you saying that terrorism is not a criminal act?
 
Josie said:
I get so tired of the "they can't live on their own so they aren't really people" crap.

A day old baby can't live on his own.
A 3-month old baby can't live on his own.
A 2 year old can't live on his own.
A 10 year old can't live on his own.

Heck - many adults can't live without sucking the teat of the government everyday.
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It reminds me far too much of the warped morals and logic that led us to allow for slavery and the dehumanization of Africans. People arbitrarily deemed them "not people" because of "x" characteristics and that allowed for them to be owned, enslaved, and killed. I see people labeling unborn children as "not persons" and thus it's fine for them to be legally killed and that being allowed to do so is a "woman's right."
 
digsbe said:
It reminds me far too much of the warped morals and logic that led us to allow for slavery and the dehumanization of Africans. People arbitrarily deemed them "not people" because of "x" characteristics and that allowed for them to be owned, enslaved, and killed. I see people labeling unborn children as "not persons" and thus it's fine for them to be legally killed and that being allowed to do so is a "woman's right."
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Exactly.

And those who do say that abortion is the killing of a human, will rationalize it in any way that they can. Because....women's rights!!...or something...
 
Josie said:
I get so tired of the "they can't live on their own so they aren't really people" crap.

A day old baby can't live on his own.
A 3-month old baby can't live on his own.
A 2 year old can't live on his own.
A 10 year old can't live on his own.

Heck - many adults can't live without sucking the teat of the government everyday.
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Actually... that's not what is intended by "live on its own". A 10 day old fetus can't breathe on its own, or even be fed through any natural means. It can't articulate through any known gestures discomfort or pain. It can't communicate hunger or any other human need. So why is it a person? Because it has human DNA? So do the millions of poor living children you want to cut welfare programs for. You don't seem all that worried about them.
 
Josie said:
Exactly.

And those who do say that abortion is the killing of a human, will rationalize it in any way that they can. Because....women's rights!!...or something...
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You have to rationalize in order to allow for an ethical atrocity to take place like that. Just say that because they aren't "persons" or that they are "parasites" or that you are "enslaving a woman's body" or "restricting bodily sovereignty" along with all the slander that gets tossed out towards pro-life people (like saying they are anti-woman, misogynists, pro-rape, etc.) and another such nonsense that it rationalizes killing them in ways that we couldn't even execute serial murderers where the death penalty is legal. I could also guarantee you that it would be deemed a "cruel and unusual" punishment under the law.
 
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