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Thread: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

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    What you would say is not evidence of anything other than what you would say.
    It's a logical argument supporting an ethical and moral position. If you don't understand the dynamics of such, that isn't my problem

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

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    It's a logical argument supporting an ethical and moral position. If you don't understand the dynamics of such, that isn't my problem
    No, it was not. It was a collection of assertions that are not true, with no concerns for any consideration of facts which argue against your predetermined conclusion.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    It's a logical argument supporting an ethical and moral position. If you don't understand the dynamics of such, that isn't my problem
    nope the problem is yours.
    theres no argument based on facts that you have provided nor is there any factual ethical or moral position.

    you seem to not understand that dynamic

    again i have no problem with you thinkin word of mouth is good enough to report but currently theres nothing factual about that, its just your opinion which i have no problem with you having.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

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    nope the problem is yours.
    theres no argument based on facts that you have provided nor is there any factual ethical or moral position.

    you seem to not understand that dynamic

    again i have no problem with you thinkin word of mouth is good enough to report but currently theres nothing factual about that, its just your opinion which i have no problem with you having.
    "...Planned Parenthood Southeast Pennsylvania president and CEO Dayle Steinberg admitted this week at a fundraiser that the abortion business knew of the problems at Gosnell’s Philadelphia abortion facility{.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, it was not. It was a collection of assertions that are not true
    so a professional medical worker is not privy to the specialized guidelines that they need to operate under, don't have unique knowledge of their patients, and the effects of treatment on them?


    with no concerns for any consideration of facts which argue against your predetermined conclusion.
    I am more than open to criticism on the point, but the above isn't criticism. It's some strange statement about medical professionals not understanding how to conduct themselves as medical professionals. A notion we can clearly dismiss as silly

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    so a professional medical worker is not privy to the specialized guidelines that they need to operate under, don't have unique knowledge of their patients, and the effects of treatment on them?
    Here's what you said

    Well, a professional in the medical field is privy to information that the general public is not, and they understand the legal and ethical framework such organizations are bound to work within, while the general public is not. So given the privilege of information, understanding, and unique access to the individuals who have been harmed, and the obligation of protecting their patients interests, I would say the moral and professional obligation is clear
    There is no reason to think that the people who complained to PP were still patients of Gosnell, so reporting would not protect their patients interests.




    I am more than open to criticism on the point, but the above isn't criticism. It's some strange statement about medical professionals not understanding how to conduct themselves as medical professionals. A notion we can clearly dismiss as silly
    Part of being professional is not making statements you can't corroborate. For example, if all it takes is uncorroborated claims, then one medical office could harass the competition by filing nebulous and unsupportable complaints. PP encouraged it's patients to file reports. It's obligations were fulfilled by that. Taking action on their own, when their patients actions showed that they did not want their experiences reported, would not be professional.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    "...Planned Parenthood Southeast Pennsylvania president and CEO Dayle Steinberg admitted this week at a fundraiser that the abortion business knew of the problems at Gosnell’s Philadelphia abortion facility{.
    yes we have covered this fact that they admitted to problems which they identified as woman complaints and that they told the woman if they have complaints they should make them to the proper authorities


    are you implying something else?
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    so a professional medical worker is not privy to the specialized guidelines that they need to operate under, don't have unique knowledge of their patients, and the effects of treatment on them?




    I am more than open to criticism on the point, but the above isn't criticism. It's some strange statement about medical professionals not understanding how to conduct themselves as medical professionals. A notion we can clearly dismiss as silly
    and what facts say they didnt conduct themselves as medical professionals?

    yes i agree assuming they did not with zero evidence like you are doing is silly
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There is no reason to think that the people who complained to PP were still patients of Gosnell, so reporting would not protect their patients interests.
    Why would it matter if they were still patients or not, when their patients interests would be served by making sure someone is not performing illegal and poorly operated medical procedures in their community and representing a general health risk






    Part of being professional is not making statements you can't corroborate.
    This is not some fantastical story one person accounted, but consisted of multiple complaints of a first hand nature.

    For example, if all it takes is uncorroborated claims, then one medical office could harass the competition by filing nebulous and unsupportable complaints.
    And they could call the police with fake reports of drug dealing about the back room. Basically, your danger exists with any oversight organization, and is why we have systems of investigation, with an independent system verifying guilt

    PP encouraged it's patients to file reports. It's obligations were fulfilled by that.
    Now that is a statement without factual backing

    Taking action on their own, when their patients actions showed that they did not want their experiences reported, would not be professional.
    again, no private information needs to be divulged and there is a clear larger public interest here

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Why would it matter if they were still patients or not, when their patients interests would be served by making sure someone is not performing illegal and poorly operated medical procedures in their community and representing a general health risk
    If their patients were not patients of Gosnells any longer, then it would do nothing to protect PP's patients to report Gosnell.


    This is not some fantastical story one person accounted, but consisted of multiple complaints of a first hand nature.
    Reports of what? You keep repeating this, but no matter how many times I ask, you won't say what these reports were specifically about.

    And they could call the police with fake reports of drug dealing about the back room. Basically, your danger exists with any oversight organization, and is why we have systems of investigation, with an independent system verifying guilt
    So now you know that the complaints PP received were about drug dealing? Can you corroborate this assertion?


    Now that is a statement without factual backing
    I see. When Steinberg said PP received complaints, he was an honest person. When Steinberg said they were told to report the problems, he was a liar.



    again, no private information needs to be divulged and there is a clear larger public interest here
    The only way that could be true is if you knew what the complaints were, which you don't
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