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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

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    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

    do you see animals anywhere?

    government is to secure the rights of the people

    --"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"
    i think that was sorta his point

    i dont see woman, children, or ZEFs on there anywhere either

    just saying
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i know them both very well, and the founders say are rights are self-evident, and they are natural after the constitution was ratified.
    And it is self-evident that ZEFs have no rights protected by the constitution
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well everyone translates it different, i saw an admission and a denied by PP.
    there is nothing to translate when dealing with facts LMAO, the only admission is that they knew of complaints. If you disagree, again please provide factual evidence supporting otherwise

    the other denial by PP was a possible denial by a DELAWARE CEO about a specific PP clinic not gosnell's clinic about possible bad conditions which has nothing to do with this thread.

    again, please point out any facts that you think i got wrong and prove otherwise, did i miss something?
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    thanks it was a view pleasure reading links that support the fact i have been stating.

    and it did lead to a NEW question and another thing that if it is true id like to see action taken.

    If PP CEO did factually know, action should be taken
    but now, also, if PP was referring woman to that doctor for late term abortions and those late term abortions would be illegal action needs take against that too
    I agree but first we need to define what they meant by late term.

    Sometimes the term late term abortions is subjective.
    As far I can tell Dr. Gosnell was licensed to perform abortions up to 24 weeks gestation.
    Some people call any abortion past 16 weeks gestation as late term abortion and more still call any abortion past 20 weeks gestation as late term.

    But third trimester abortions would be past 24 weeks gestation.

    Since planned parenthood and other clinic were only licensed for the first trimester they might have refer women who were past the trimester to a clinic which performed abortions in the second trimester.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) no thats what YOU think my analogy was about, in fact it was simply about word of mouth isnt factual or knowledge
    but please tell ME again what MY analogy was about
    Again, eye witness accounts would be considered "factual" accounts of the events. That's why they are admissible in a court of law

    also currently, we have ZERO proof of PP knowing anything besides woman had complaints
    right, complaints I am saying they have a moral and professional obligation to report. The same obligations I would hold any medical provider to, regardless of their legal ones

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Again, eye witness accounts would be considered "factual" accounts of the events. That's why they are admissible in a court of law
    PP was not an eyewitness

    right, complaints I am saying they have a moral and professional obligation to report. The same obligations I would hold any medical provider to, regardless of their legal ones
    I have seen no evidence that they were under any obligation to report anything
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    1.)I agree but first we need to define what they meant by late term.

    2.)Sometimes the term late term abortions is subjective.
    3.)As far I can tell Dr. Gosnell was licensed to perform abortions up to 24 weeks gestation.
    4.)Some people call any abortion past 16 weeks gestation as late term abortion and more still call any abortion past 20 weeks gestation as late term.

    5.)But third trimester abortions would be past 24 weeks gestation.

    6.)Since planned parenthood and other clinic were only licensed for the first trimester they might have refer women who were past the trimester to a clinic which performed abortions in the second trimester.
    1.) i agree 100%
    2.) i agree 100%
    3.) im not aware of anything he is allowed to do but i get it
    4.) yes ive seen this
    5.) agreed
    6.) ahhhhhhhh see thanks for this info this is something I did not know and would changing my opinion.

    thanks mini
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    1.)Again, eye witness accounts would be considered "factual" accounts of the events. That's why they are admissible in a court of law



    right, complaints I am saying they have a moral and professional obligation to report. The same obligations I would hold any medical provider to, regardless of their legal ones
    1.) only your opinion, its nothing but word of mouth as far as PP is concerned, let me know when you can change this fact.
    its "admissible" but not considered FACTUALLY lol HUGE difference

    2.) again more opinion that you have, its fine with me that you have that opinion but currently thats all it is

    and once again, none of that changes the facts i stated
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    PP was not an eyewitness
    Yes, we covered that. I'm not sure how it changes they had first hand accounts though, which I feel they have a moral and professional obligation to report


    I have seen no evidence that they were under any obligation to report anything
    Well, a professional in the medical field is privy to information that the general public is not, and they understand the legal and ethical framework such organizations are bound to work within, while the general public is not. So given the privilege of information, understanding, and unique access to the individuals who have been harmed, and the obligation of protecting their patients interests, I would say the moral and professional obligation is clear

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Yes, we covered that. I'm not sure how it changes they had first hand accounts though, which I feel they have a moral and professional obligation to report
    There is no obligation to report.


    Well, a professional in the medical field is privy to information that the general public is not, and they understand the legal and ethical framework such organizations are bound to work within, while the general public is not. So given the privilege of information, understanding, and unique access to the individuals who have been harmed, and the obligation of protecting their patients interests, I would say the moral and professional obligation is clear
    What you would say is not evidence of anything other than what you would say.
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