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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Planned Parenthood has admitted that it knew about conditions at Gosnell's "House of Horrors," but took no steps to report him to the authorities.

    BREAKING: Obama backs out of Planned Parenthood gala Thursday: White House | LifeSiteNews.com

    Planned Parenthood, left to itself, becomes another House of Horrors

    LifeNews.com reports that Dayle Steinberg, the president and CEO of Planned Parenthood Southeast Pennsylvania, (admitted) at a fundraiser that he knew about the problems in Gosnell’s Philadelphia charnel house. Rather than reporting this information to local or state authorities so that Gosnell’s clinic could be shut down, Planned Parenthood did nothing at all. Instead, it hoped that the women who suffered traumatizing abortions in filthy rooms would speak up. Or, as Steinberg said, “We would always encourage them to report it to the Department of Health.”

    Kermit Gosnell?s Abortion House of Horrors: Planned Parenthood Knew! // Mr. Conservative


    Planned Parenthood of Delaware CEO Ruth Lytle-Barnaby (denied) any claims of unsanitary practices and said the facility is dedicated to providing a safe environment for women. She would not confirm the circumstances under which Mitchell-Werbrich and Vasikonis left. And the television station reports two other nurses and one abortionist have also quit working at the facility.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    Planned Parenthood has admitted that it knew about conditions at Gosnell's "House of Horrors," but took no steps to report him to the authorities.

    BREAKING: Obama backs out of Planned Parenthood gala Thursday: White House | LifeSiteNews.com

    Planned Parenthood, left to itself, becomes another House of Horrors

    LifeNews.com reports that Dayle Steinberg, the president and CEO of Planned Parenthood Southeast Pennsylvania, (admitted) at a fundraiser that he knew about the problems in Gosnell’s Philadelphia charnel house. Rather than reporting this information to local or state authorities so that Gosnell’s clinic could be shut down, Planned Parenthood did nothing at all. Instead, it hoped that the women who suffered traumatizing abortions in filthy rooms would speak up. Or, as Steinberg said, “We would always encourage them to report it to the Department of Health.”

    Kermit Gosnell?s Abortion House of Horrors: Planned Parenthood Knew! // Mr. Conservative


    Planned Parenthood of Delaware CEO Ruth Lytle-Barnaby (denied) any claims of unsanitary practices and said the facility is dedicated to providing a safe environment for women. She would not confirm the circumstances under which Mitchell-Werbrich and Vasikonis left. And the television station reports two other nurses and one abortionist have also quit working at the facility.
    More evidence that the only way the moral fascists who want to ban abortion can present themselves as morally superior is by being dishonest
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    1.)Planned Parenthood has admitted that it knew about conditions at Gosnell's "House of Horrors," but took no steps to report him to the authorities.

    2.)BREAKING: Obama backs out of Planned Parenthood gala Thursday: White House | LifeSiteNews.com

    3.)Planned Parenthood, left to itself, becomes another House of Horrors

    LifeNews.com reports that Dayle Steinberg, the president and CEO of Planned Parenthood Southeast Pennsylvania, (admitted) at a fundraiser that he knew about the problems in Gosnell’s Philadelphia charnel house. Rather than reporting this information to local or state authorities so that Gosnell’s clinic could be shut down, Planned Parenthood did nothing at all. Instead, it hoped that the women who suffered traumatizing abortions in filthy rooms would speak up. Or, as Steinberg said, “We would always encourage them to report it to the Department of Health.”

    4.)Kermit Gosnell?s Abortion House of Horrors: Planned Parenthood Knew! // Mr. Conservative


    5.)Planned Parenthood of Delaware CEO Ruth Lytle-Barnaby (denied) any claims of unsanitary practices and said the facility is dedicated to providing a safe environment for women. She would not confirm the circumstances under which Mitchell-Werbrich and Vasikonis left. And the television station reports two other nurses and one abortionist have also quit working at the facility.
    1.) still not factual

    2.)the first link supports that they didnt factually know anythign other than there were complints

    3.) not sure what this has to do with the topic at all? this link seem to talk about a PP faclity itself that has failed inspection or is guilty of violating protocal. What am i missing?
    if thats true i hope they do what ever is required in those cases, fire people, shut it down, criminal charges if applical etc

    did i miss something on how this tie into the discussion?

    4.) this link also shows that PP was only aware of complaints and told them to report them

    what i dont like though is that PP MIGHT have referred them to the clinic knowing they need late term abortion that PP doesnt do. Are late term abortions in PA illegal, ill have to check and how late. If that is true again, i hope they take the steps to punish that.

    anything else i missed?

    the thread title is still not factually true by anything you provided unless i missed something youd like to point out.

    5.) this seems to apply to link two, bullet 4.) again not sure what this has to do with the topic here?
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I've seen no evidence of any obligation like that
    Under the PA code, minimum standards include:

    (7) The facilities in which the services are rendered are safe, sanitary, and adequately equipped.

    (8) There is an organized medical or professional staff responsible for maintaining accepted standards of medical, surgical, or health-related care and for requiring staff members to participate in recognized continuing education programs.

    Pennsylvania Code
    Now, I will research weather or not other facilities have an obligation to report...Although I don't see why they wouldn't....
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Under the PA code, minimum standards include:



    Now, I will research weather or not other facilities have an obligation to report...Although I don't see why they wouldn't....
    uhm, nobody here doubt that medical facilitys have a standard that must be kept for themselves???

    the question is, does PP have an obligation to report something word of mouth?
    we are asking about factual OBLIGATION

    if they did then action should be taken against them

    and still, none of this makes the thread title true
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) still not factual

    2.)the first link supports that they didnt factually know anythign other than there were complints

    3.) not sure what this has to do with the topic at all? this link seem to talk about a PP faclity itself that has failed inspection or is guilty of violating protocal. What am i missing?
    if thats true i hope they do what ever is required in those cases, fire people, shut it down, criminal charges if applical etc

    did i miss something on how this tie into the discussion?

    4.) this link also shows that PP was only aware of complaints and told them to report them

    what i dont like though is that PP MIGHT have referred them to the clinic knowing they need late term abortion that PP doesnt do. Are late term abortions in PA illegal, ill have to check and how late. If that is true again, i hope they take the steps to punish that.

    anything else i missed?

    the thread title is still not factually true by anything you provided unless i missed something youd like to point out.

    5.) this seem to apply to link too, bullet 4.) again not sure what this has to do with the topic here?
    i am sure you can tell these are all links and story lines from the internet, and not me.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    More evidence that the only way the moral fascists who want to ban abortion can present themselves as morally superior is by being dishonest

    moral fascist?

    are you not a moral fascist, since you support laws based on morality

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i am sure you can tell these are all links and story lines from the internet, and not me.
    yes i can, all my questions still apply

    you posted 3 links

    2 support the current evidence that PP didn't factually know anything accept that some woman had complaints and that they told the woman they should report their complaints to the appropriate authorities.

    1 link is a story about some random PP facility that seems to be in violation and it looks like action will be taken against that facility as it should if its true.

    so again, what did i miss?
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Under the PA code, minimum standards include:



    Now, I will research weather or not other facilities have an obligation to report...Although I don't see why they wouldn't....
    Let me know what you find, but I doubt there is such an obligation. I suspect it would raise issues relating to medical privacy
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    it would?
    Yes, in your analogy there is one sole statement of an eyewitness account. This ignores there were multiple eyewitness accounts.

    and you also know that based on that alone that they were factually obligated to do more than they did
    I've been rather clear that I do think they have a professional and moral obligation to do so, yes.


    Interesting, can you provide these fact please?
    I don't think you really understand how things like "fact", "logic" and 'debate" really work. If something can be "factually" established it wouldn't be "debatable". And many important things are "debatable". SO what we do in "debate" is present our arguments for why something is most likely correct, based on supporting fact and logic. Because we are unlikely to find 'factual" evidence one way or the other
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