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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

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    I don't believe that the thread title is misleading at all...If PP said that the complaints, the very same that nota outlined to you, and you said were horrendous, and common sense would dictate, are a health code violation, then PP, being another HC facility, has an obligation to report it.....
    PP did not that the complaints were about the unsanitary conditions, did they?
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't believe that the thread title is misleading at all...If PP said that the complaints, the very same that nota outlined to you, and you said were horrendous, and common sense would dictate, are a health code violation, then PP, being another HC facility, has an obligation to report it.....

    are you claiming that PP factually new what nota said came out IN THE TRIAL??? (the trial that has nothing to do with PP)
    because i see zero proof of that, do you have proof of that?

    so yes the article title is 100% misleading and not true until anybody can prove otherwise
    PP had no obligation to report anything as of yet that, nobody even knows what PP factual new or any FACTS that were presented to them.

    What dont you understand? seems you came in late and are confusing the two discussion going on
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    PP did not that the complaints were about the unsanitary conditions, did they?
    I don't think that the PP guy said, but in the outline that nota gave, I think it's testimony of one of the women that complained, or something like that...In any case any one of those would have been a health hazard, and if they were conveyed to anyone at PP, then they had an obligation to report them.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't think that the PP guy said, but in the outline that nota gave, I think it's testimony of one of the women that complained, or something like that...In any case any one of those would have been a health hazard, and if they were conveyed to anyone at PP, then they had an obligation to report them.
    The woman did not testify that they told PP about the unsanitary conditions.

    Try again.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    We have learned during our investigation that Gosnell’s reckless ways were not unknown to people in the community. Some pro-choice and women’s health groups learned from Gosnell’s patients of their frightening experiences. Patients reported that they were put totally to sleep for long periods of time, that they were treated badly, and that the facility was dirty. The community groups tried to help women file complaints. They were unsuccessful, however, in part because the complaint form used by the Department of State – the same form that one would use to complain about a barber or a car salesman – is difficult to fill out, especially if the complainant is not well educated or does not speak English. It demands considerable personal information, and it does not guarantee confidentiality for medical records.

    Women who had undergone abortions were generally not willing to send all of this information to Harrisburg. When representatives of one of the organizations tried to file a complaint with the Board of Medicine on behalf of the women, they were allegedly told that they could not file a third-party complaint.
    Id like a link to this also because this is interesting
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't think that the PP guy said, but in the outline that nota gave, I think it's testimony of one of the women that complained, or something like that...In any case any one of those would have been a health hazard, and if they were conveyed to anyone at PP, then they had an obligation to report them.
    you are still mixing parts of this thread and are confused, the testimony had nothing to do with PP

    but lets say it was, what "obligations" are you talking about?
    they told the woman to file complaints, besides that what FACTUAL obligations are you referring too
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    are you claiming that PP factually new what nota said came out IN THE TRIAL??? (the trial that has nothing to do with PP)
    because i see zero proof of that, do you have proof of that?

    so yes the article title is 100% misleading and not true until anybody can prove otherwise
    PP had no obligation to report anything as of yet that, nobody even knows what PP factual new or any FACTS that were presented to them.

    What dont you understand? seems you came in late and are confusing the two discussion going on
    eh, maybe...But I don't think I am...No, I don't have any "proof" what the complaints to PP were. Maybe you could outline what you would accept as proof, and I'll have a look. However, it is my understanding that the person at trial offering the synopsis of conditions at Gosnell's clinic was one of the women that complained to PP, I could be wrong....In either case would you agree that if these conditions were conveyed to PP then they had an obligation to report them?
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

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    The woman did not testify that they told PP about the unsanitary conditions.

    Try again.
    Do you have proof of that?
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    you are still mixing parts of this thread and are confused, the testimony had nothing to do with PP

    but lets say it was, what "obligations" are you talking about?
    they told the woman to file complaints, besides that what FACTUAL obligations are you referring too
    I believe under the health code, that if another HC facility has knowledge of violations that threaten public health, or safety, then they have a legal obligation to report them.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    1.)eh, maybe...But I don't think I am..
    2.).No, I don't have any "proof" what the complaints to PP were.
    3.)Maybe you could outline what you would accept as proof, and I'll have a look.
    4.)However, it is my understanding that the person at trial offering the synopsis of conditions at Gosnell's clinic was one of the women that complained to PP, I could be wrong....In either case would you agree that if these conditions were conveyed to PP then they had an obligation to report them?
    1.) you factually are, what nota posted was TRAIL info, not what PP FACTUALLY knew of
    2.) ok then that is proof that the thread title, which is article title by rule, its not Nota's fault, is currently WRONG and misleading
    3.) lol more than hearsay. Pictures, video, proof of medical misconduct (arm removed when a leg needed removed etc)
    4..) no i dont not because its hearsay, unless they are bound by some procedure or codes that requires all VERBAL complaints to be reported whether they are true or not i see no reason they would be obligated to do anything more than they did. Tell the woman to official report it.

    also, let be clear, even if i personally had they opinion they should have reported the hearsay complaints that doesn't do anything to my point that the fact that the thread title is currently wrong and misleading.

    you do get that right?

    also be very clear, if evidence comes out saying they did factually know, had some real evidence or they violated procedure/protocol for reporting it then they should be punished!

    but what i wont do is just assume and make stuff up with no evidence.
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