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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Or you could read up on the trial. The clinic conditions were filthy. There are pictures available of some of the equipment, and you can see for yourself.

    There was a systemic failure--Gosnell had been reported, but the health dept. didn't follow up. He continued to ply his trade for 17 years: Pill-mill by day and abortion mill by night. It was a narcotics task force that brought him down.

    If women were coming to PP clinics and complaining, what do you think they were complaining about? The receptionist being rude?
    So are you claiming that the complaints that PP received were about unsanitary equipment? If so, do you have any evidence to support this?

    Also, this thread isn't about the failure of the health dept. It is about the dishonest claim, made in the OP, that PP knew of criminal activity and didn't report it.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So are you claiming that the complaints that PP received were about unsanitary equipment? If so, do you have any evidence to support this?

    Also, this thread isn't about the failure of the health dept. It is about the dishonest claim, made in the OP, that PP knew of criminal activity and didn't report it.
    The OP isn't dishonest. It does not mention the phrase "criminal activity"; it refers to "problems." This is because Dayle Steinberg said that PP was aware that there were problems.

    And BTW, you asked if there was any "confirmation" that what the links in the OP claimed was what Steinberg actually said. I guess you couldn't be bothered to check for yourself, but that's okay because I did:

    "Steinberg said that when Gosnell was in practice, women would sometimes come to Planned Parenthood for services after first visiting Gosnell's West Philadelphia clinic, and would complain to staff about the conditions there.

    "We would always encourage them to report it to the Department of Health," Steinberg said as she sat with Steinem before Tuesday's events.

    Steinem stresses reproductive rights at Planned Parenthood gathering - Philly.com

    Further, has Steinberg denied what she has been quoted as saying. Uh, no.

    No need; it doesn't matter what she said to those whose ears are closed because their minds are made up.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Or you could read up on the trial. The clinic conditions were filthy. There are pictures available of some of the equipment, and you can see for yourself.

    There was a systemic failure--Gosnell had been reported, but the health dept. didn't follow up. He continued to ply his trade for 17 years: Pill-mill by day and abortion mill by night. It was a narcotics task force that brought him down.

    If women were coming to PP clinics and complaining, what do you think they were complaining about? The receptionist being rude?

    without proof it doesnt matter what their complaints were about really. PP did what they were supposed to with the facts they had. They told the woman to report it.
    got any proof that PP factually knew anything yet?
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    From the grand jury report (page 2):

    The clinic reeked of animal urine, courtesy of the cats that were allowed to roam (and defecate) freely. Furniture and blankets were stained with blood. Instruments were not properly sterilized. Disposable medical supplies were not disposed of; they were reused, over and over again. Medical equipment – such as the defibrillator, the EKG, the pulse oximeter, the blood pressure cuff – was generally broken; even when it worked, it wasn’t used. The emergency exit was padlocked shut.

    http://www.phila.gov/districtattorne...ensmedical.pdf
    thats horrendous, that guy is going down.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    The OP isn't dishonest. It does not mention the phrase "criminal activity"; it refers to "problems." This is because Dayle Steinberg said that PP was aware that there were problems.
    Please read the title of the thread. Are you suggesting that the "horrors" it refers to have nothing to do with the murder of born babies and refer only to the unsanitary conditions there?


    And BTW, you asked if there was any "confirmation" that what the links in the OP claimed was what Steinberg actually said. I guess you couldn't be bothered to check for yourself, but that's okay because I did:

    "Steinberg said that when Gosnell was in practice, women would sometimes come to Planned Parenthood for services after first visiting Gosnell's West Philadelphia clinic, and would complain to staff about the conditions there.

    "We would always encourage them to report it to the Department of Health," Steinberg said as she sat with Steinem before Tuesday's events.

    Steinem stresses reproductive rights at Planned Parenthood gathering - Philly.com

    Further, has Steinberg denied what she has been quoted as saying. Uh, no.

    No need; it doesn't matter what she said to those whose ears are closed because their minds are made up.
    I never denied that Steinberg acknowledged that women had complained to PP about the conditions at Gosnell's clinic. Don't know where you came up with that one.

    But I did notice that you dodged my questions. I'll repeat

    So are you claiming that the complaints that PP received were about unsanitary equipment? If so, do you have any evidence to support this?
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    The OP isn't dishonest. It does not mention the phrase "criminal activity"; it refers to "problems." This is because Dayle Steinberg said that PP was aware that there were problems.

    And BTW, you asked if there was any "confirmation" that what the links in the OP claimed was what Steinberg actually said. I guess you couldn't be bothered to check for yourself, but that's okay because I did:

    "Steinberg said that when Gosnell was in practice, women would sometimes come to Planned Parenthood for services after first visiting Gosnell's West Philadelphia clinic, and would complain to staff about the conditions there.

    "We would always encourage them to report it to the Department of Health," Steinberg said as she sat with Steinem before Tuesday's events.

    Steinem stresses reproductive rights at Planned Parenthood gathering - Philly.com

    Further, has Steinberg denied what she has been quoted as saying. Uh, no.

    No need; it doesn't matter what she said to those whose ears are closed because their minds are made up.
    no the OP title/ article title is in fact dishonest until proven otherwise thats not even up for debate.

    also thank you for quoting what PP said since that is further proof that PP didn't actually know what all was going on there lol
    You are right about one thing though "closed minds" are made up and they will simply assume and make up what ever they want instead of going on the facts currently presented. Thats big of you to admit.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Please read the title of the thread. Are you suggesting that the "horrors" it refers to have nothing to do with the murder of born babies and refer only to the unsanitary conditions there?




    I never denied that Steinberg acknowledged that women had complained to PP about the conditions at Gosnell's clinic. Don't know where you came up with that one.

    But I did notice that you dodged my questions. I'll repeat
    Don't bother. I'm not up for spinning and twisting this evening.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Don't bother. I'm not up for spinning and twisting this evening.
    Then don't twist and spin. Just post some facts to back up your claims.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Don't bother. I'm not up for spinning and twisting this evening.
    typical, proved wrong and you run away.

    Ill ask too, is the thread title/ article title factual or is it misleading?

    are the horrors it is referring to only complaints?
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    typical, proved wrong and you run away.

    Ill ask too, is the thread title/ article title factual or is it misleading?

    are the horrors it is referring to only complaints?
    I don't believe that the thread title is misleading at all...If PP said that the complaints, the very same that nota outlined to you, and you said were horrendous, and common sense would dictate, are a health code violation, then PP, being another HC facility, has an obligation to report it.....
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