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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    one of the earlier accusations was that clinics were sending patients to Gosnell knowing that he would do illegal procedures. Which I don't think is impossible, though I would like to see evidence for it
    I do not think that would be true.
    If a clinic recommended a clinic that they knew performed illegal procedures that clinic not only would lose their licence and their reputation they could be held liable and might be an charged as an accessory to the illegal produce.

    More than likely a clinic that only perform first trimester abortions might have told patients who were in their second trimester that Gosnell was licensed to perform abortions during the second trimester ...which was true.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    really this long post in hopes of changing the fact that PP wasnt factually aware of any wrong doing? LOL
    the thread title is currently factually not CURRENTLY true.
    It wasn't really a long post

    1.) maybe, i see no facts to support this.
    Well, which is why I wrote "likely", not is". Being that if the complaints concerned certain procedures and treatments, that signs of such would be visible on examination

    2.) you are welcome to this opinion but nothing makes it fact and nothing makes the thread title fact
    You don't really seem to understand the nature of moral and ethics. They are derived from facts, not facts themselves

    3.) again, opinion based on what we know, per what what we know they had no facts to report, they did tell the woman if they have complaints what they
    No, eyewitness accounts would be "factual" accounts of the event


    4.) I agree which is why the thread title isnt true and it seems they meet their legal obligations as far as we have evidence of
    Which is why I mentioned professional and ethical obligations ...


    5.) its not a claim its factual unless you can prove otherwise, who said PP had no concern? they did what they should have, told the woman to file complaints, so feel free to end the discussion because my point that i actually said still stands and what you are trying to have a debate about is meaningless to anythign i said.
    I can't even make sense of this. But I am clearly asserting they had a professional and ethical obligation to report it themselves


    6.) alse hearsay can in fact be Information received from other people that cannot be adequately substantiated, Unverified information heard or received from another
    actually your own definition contradicts you

    "1. Unverified information heard or received from another; rumor."

    rumor is generally understood as second hand information. Information that isn't accounted by a direct witness


    "2. Law Evidence based on the reports of others rather than the personal knowledge of a witness and therefore generally not admissible as testimony."

    The above, which is more applicable, also makes that clear

    now in court you would be right, but a check-up room at PP is not a court room
    No one claimed it was, and such really has nothing to do with them reporting such complaints to a proper agency, who would investigate the matter. Not merely declare his guilt based on such a report

    what the people said was hearsay and nothing more
    No, an eyewitness report is not hearsay. That is even made clear in your provided definition

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the beginning of the story.

    Planned Parenthood has already been connected to Kermit Gosnell in one way ó via a grisly abortion experiment he conducted on women back in the 1970s.

    But Planned Parenthood Southeast Pennsylvania president and CEO Dayle Steinberg (((((admitted ))))this week at a fundraiser that the abortion business knew of the problems at Gosnellís Philadelphia abortion facility.

    Apparently Planned Parenthood did not report it to the state health department or other state or local officials who could have done something about it. Instead, it appears the abortion giant left it up to women Gosnell injured or traumatized to make public officials aware of his House of Horrors.
    maybe you misunderstood the question, that guy saying he knew of problems and then later saying those problems were woman complaining is not anywhere near the same as what you said.

    Im looking for factual proof that PP FACTUALLY knew of ILLEGAL things happening, not hearsay and not the opinion of somebody who feels PP should have done more then tell the woman to report it.

    im looking for facts that can get them in hot water.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I do not think that would be true.
    If a clinic recommended a clinic that they knew performed illegal procedures that clinic not only would lose their licence and their reputation they could be held liable and might be an charged as an accessory to the illegal produce.
    the terms it was put in was that they weren't saying go here he will give you an illegal abortion. You should go see this doctor for a second opinion, with a "wink".

    It's not something I find impossible, given the fact that most people in the field are working there for ideological reasons (they may see nothing wrong with late term abortions). But I would need to see evidence of such

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    maybe you misunderstood the question, that guy saying he knew of problems and then later saying those problems were woman complaining is not anywhere near the same as what you said.

    Im looking for factual proof that PP FACTUALLY knew of ILLEGAL things happening, not hearsay and not the opinion of somebody who feels PP should have done more then tell the woman to report it.

    im looking for facts that can get them in hot water.
    first lets set things back to which i first replied.

    first the NRA, as far as i know never been involved in any actives, which has been questioned by authorities. so for anyone to drag the NRA into any thing parallel to this is ridiculous.


    the below as an admission of problems going on.

    do you think that after this story broke, that Pennsylvania president and CEO Dayle Steinberg was going to admit, "yes we knew illegal activity was going on".

    that would be a felony if she said that., and she would be guilty of a crime, for not reporting it...no one can admit they knew, or its jail for them.



    Pennsylvania president and CEO Dayle Steinberg (((((admitted ))))this week at a fundraiser that the abortion business knew of the problems at Gosnell’s Philadelphia abortion facility.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Im looking for factual proof that PP FACTUALLY knew of ILLEGAL things happening
    if they were telling women to report it to the health board, that would seem to indicate they knew of illegal or actionable activities. And, again, Hearsay isn't an eyewitness accounting of something.

    Naturally knowing of illegal or actionable activities does not mean they were aware of the entire scope of such by Gosnell, but it would indicate knowledge of such on some level

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Did you not say that morals are "subjective" and that the law shouldn't enforce morals?

    Yes or no??
    You're still changing your story here. I won't answer your questions unless you ask an honest one
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    We have learned during our investigation that Gosnellís reckless ways were not unknown to people in the community. Some pro-choice and womenís health groups learned from Gosnellís patients of their frightening experiences. Patients reported that they were put totally to sleep for long periods of time, that they were treated badly, and that the facility was dirty. The community groups tried to help women file complaints. They were unsuccessful, however, in part because the complaint form used by the Department of State Ė the same form that one would use to complain about a barber or a car salesman Ė is difficult to fill out, especially if the complainant is not well educated or does not speak English. It demands considerable personal information, and it does not guarantee confidentiality for medical records.

    Women who had undergone abortions were generally not willing to send all of this information to Harrisburg. When representatives of one of the organizations tried to file a complaint with the Board of Medicine on behalf of the women, they were allegedly told that they could not file a third-party complaint.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    1. Ok, so creatures who are not sentient beings with minds capable of comprehending a future of some sort and have not put direct value on their own existence are not human and can be killed.

    2.This would include most demented or retarded people and Democrats. But I repeat myself.
    1. It's doesn't matter if the being in question is human because in the future artificial life and extraterrestrial life when found will have these characteristics and they won't be human. So all is it human talk is stupid at best.

    2. Actually no it wouldn't demented and retarded people are sentient beings and have a mind meaning they're neurologically active. Most find killing non human animals wrong because they're sentient and have a mind as well so the retarded and demented will fit in this criteria. But note as well that the retarded and demented are not 3. capable of comprehending a future of some sort and have not 4. put direct value on their existence so killing them would be wrong but not as wrong as killing a being with 3 and 4.

    I am just saying when the unborn are aborted 99% of the time, they have none of the characteristics I told you so it's not wrong to kill them before they have these characteristics in my view. Plus human abortions keeps the population under control and keeps the environment healthy
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    Hanging your hat entirely on the CURRENT legality of something you want to be legal and others want to make illegal does not constitute a salient argument. At all.
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    What is "alive" and how does it apply to the fetus?

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    It is not nonsence. If the baby is vivable and has a chance of living more than a few hours the born alive means that medical has to be given.

    If a mother or family wants to try to take extraordinary measures to try to save the premie then she can request that surgeries or infant cpap machines be used to try to extend the life of the infant.
    As I've said many times, the moral fascists who want to ban abortion regularly try to demonstrate their moral superiority by telling lies. Grant has ignored what we've in order to make up crap. He pretends that "extraordinary measures" is not well defined by the law and misrepresents that other posters have written
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