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Thread: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

    Yes, after the facts were finally, and reluctantly, made public.

    You can read the truth here, if you have the stomach for it. Doctor Kermit Gosnell's little shop of horrors - Patrick D Hahn - Open Salon

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    From what I have read about the tesimony in the trial I believe Kermit Gosnell not only broke the law when he preformed abortion on women with viable fetuses but that he murdered any babies that were born .

    I think he should pay with his life for that if true.

    Hopefully he gets the death sentence or they at lock him up


    The Born Alive law requires that medical help be given for any infant born alive.
    Tht means if they were a wanted baby who was born
    very early or if they survived an abortion attempt.

    Extraordinary measures means open heart surgery, surgery to put organs that are on the outside of body back inside the body , the use of infant cpap machines, etc.
    And it also means taking the babies life.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    In Preemies, Better Care Also Means Hard Choice

    Saving lives this young is not benign. Survivors of extreme prematurity have frequent, and often severe, complications during their time in the NICU.

    In the worst cases, these children will suffer lifelong disabilities: cerebral palsy; severe visual impairment that thick glasses and eye surgery can only partly correct; scarred lungs that will leave them reliant on oxygen tanks; intellectual and behavioral problems that put them well behind their peers.


    Partly because prospects for these children can be so dark, the American Academy of Pediatrics suggests not resuscitating babies born before 23 weeks,
    while babies born after 26 weeks are usually resuscitated.

    Between 23 and 26 weeks, the risks remain high but survival improves with each week. This range is treated by the pediatrics organization as a gray zone, and doctors and parents must make the hard decision about whether to try to resuscitate a baby without firm guidance.

    The circumstances are rarely ideal. Neonatologists walk into a patient’s room, day or night, amid the intense activity of obstetricians and nurses trying to manage labor. It’s an emotional, tense and uncertain time not conducive to detailed discussion or reflection. Unsurprisingly, then, these life-or-death decisions are made inconsistently.
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/he...ices.html?_r=0
    Last edited by minnie616; 04-25-13 at 10:43 AM. Reason: typo
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

    Quote Originally Posted by GEIxBattleRifle View Post
    Be more specific

    We take innocent life on a daily basis unless you think the world revolves only around humans of course
    The thread is about human beings. There need not be any confusion in this regard.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And it also means taking the babies life.
    No it does not mean taking the babies life.
    If a baby is born with severe life threatening conditions and will not survive more than a few minutes or hours the kindest thing to do is to give it comfort care for the few minutes or hours it has instead of inserting
    all kinds of machines that might or might not give it
    a few minutes or hours more.

    Those babies are kelp warm, are held, and are kept pain free until they expire naturally.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    1. I get so tired of the "they can't live on their own so they aren't really people" crap.

    2. A day old baby can't live on his own.
    3. A 3-month old baby can't live on his own.
    4. A 2 year old can't live on his own.
    5. A 10 year old can't live on his own.

    6.Heck - many adults can't live without sucking the teat of the government everyday.
    1. I get tried of the Anthropocentrism pro lifers show on a daily basis. Let's look at the characteristics these beings have

    2. A one day old baby is a sentient being with a mind (neurologically active) and is part of our social fabric meaning that we can interact with and develop a relationship with this being thus it has the right to life

    3. A 3 month old baby is a sentient being with a mind and is part of the social fabric thus it has the right to life

    4. A two year old is a sentient being with a mind and is part of the social fabric thus it has the right to life

    5. A 10 year old is a sentient being with a mind plus is part of our social fabric. This being is capable of comprehending what life is and is capable of deciding what it might want to do with a life of some sort thus this being has put direct value on it's own existence thus it seriously has the right to life

    6. Read number 5

    The unborn 99% percent of the time when they're aborted are not sentient with a mind
    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Hanging your hat entirely on the CURRENT legality of something you want to be legal and others want to make illegal does not constitute a salient argument. At all.
    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    What is "alive" and how does it apply to the fetus?

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by GEIxBattleRifle View Post

    The unborn 99% percent of the time when they're aborted are not sentient with a mind
    Which is of course why one of the selected means of killing the unborn baby is to plunge scissors into the brain of the infant.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by GEIxBattleRifle View Post
    1. I get tried of the Anthropocentrism pro lifers show on a daily basis. Let's look at the characteristics these beings have

    2. A one day old baby is a sentient being...
    A neonate is an inefficient engine that converts milk to poop. At birth, we possess less awareness of understanding of our surroundings than the creature that provided my breakfast meat. And yet, a neonate's rights human rights are protected.


    Granted, you have already stated that infanticide should be legal. Based upon that, I suppose I'm in part preaching to the choir, though you take this data and go to a completely different - in my opinion terrible - direction.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Which is of course why one of the selected means of killing the unborn baby is to plunge scissors into the brain of the infant.
    I think you are mistaken ...the babies Gonell is accused of murdering were born babies not unborn.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I think you are mistaken ...the babies Gonell is accused of murdering were born babies not unborn.
    I understand, but that was not my point.

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