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Thread: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    When one of lawmakers asked her what Planned Parenthood's position would be if a baby is born as a result of a botched abortion.
    She said "We believe that any decision that's made should be left up to the woman, her family and the physician,"

    That does NOT mean the mom can kill the baby... It only means the mother,and her family along with the doctor can decide if extraordinary measures should be done to save the baby's life.
    Ad these "extraordinary measures" (another euphemism!) would involve killing the baby, correct? We now have a thumbs up/thumbs down committee vote on whether an innocent human being should die.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Women beg to differ.
    Beg all you want, reality doesn't change.

    As it's dependent on another independent being, this is untrue.
    Babies are dependent on their parents for nourishment. Hell, anyone who doesn't have a job is dependent for nourishment. Doesn't change the fact that it IS an independent and distinct organism.

    Biologically untrue.
    Biological fact.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Ad these "extraordinary measures" (another euphemism!) would involve killing the baby, correct? We now have a thumbs up/thumbs down committee vote on whether an innocent human being should die.
    No it it would not since we have a federal law that would not allow that ...the Born Alive Act.

    I specifically put that in my post.

    Women who have legal abortions after viability do so because of extrene cases.

    Here is a little info about legal late term abortions.

    Since the death of Dr. Tiller a few years ago there are only 4 doctors in the USA who legally perform third trimester abortions.

    Less than .08 percent of all legal abortions that occur in the USA take place at or after 24 weeks gestation.
    These are the extreme cases. The cases where the woman's life or irreparable to major bodily function would take place if the pregnancy were allowed to continue ,when the fetus died a natural death in the womb but failed to expelled naturally, ( yes, when a doctor removes a dead fetus and the fetal material from the womb it is still called an abortion and it is included in the abortion stat numbers ), when a fetus will be stillborn or when the fetus will only live a few minutes or hours.

    Kansas was one of only a small handful of states that allowed legal late term abortions back in 2008.
    Dr. Tiller was one of 5 doctors who performed late term abortions at that time.
    Out of state OB/GYNs who had patients with the late term extreme complications that I mentioned would often send their patients to Dr. Tiller for their late term abortions.

    Kansas recorded the numbers of abortions that took place after 22 weeks gestion in 2008.

    There were 323 abortions that took place at or after 22 weeks gestation (40 weeks gestation is considered full term).

    192 of those abortions was because the fetus was NOT viable.
    It had died in the womb , it would be stillborn, or it was so malformed it would live only a few minutes or hours.
    They were not viaible and never had a chance of living.

    The other 132 late term (22 weeks gestation or later ) abortions were because there would be irreparable damage to a major bodily function if the pregnancy continued.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

    Quote Originally Posted by hfd View Post
    Newborns are not independently living 'creatures' either. Without proper care they die. So at what point is it appropriate to stop killing babies that cannot support themselves?
    A born human is a sentient being with a mind plus part of the social fabric which the unborn have none of those when they're aborted 99% of the time

    Let's not forget also that most humans don't care for things until they become part of the social fabric. Think for a bit ''Why are non human animals given more consideration then the unborn''? The answer is not hard really
    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Hanging your hat entirely on the CURRENT legality of something you want to be legal and others want to make illegal does not constitute a salient argument. At all.
    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    What is "alive" and how does it apply to the fetus?

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

    IN THE NEWS...
    April 22, 2013

    The defense of controversial abortion Dr. Kermitt Gosnell gets underway in Phialdelphia this week, but he cannot expect any support from some of the country's most pro abortion rights advocacy organizations who "unequivocally denounced" his practice.

    Leaders from Pro-Choice America, Planned Parenthood and the National Abortion Federation said that Gosnell's abortion clinic was an affront to high-quality, safe abortion clinics who operate under proper regulations across the country.

    Gosnell's attorneys were supposed to begin their defense today but it was postponed until Tuesday due to illness on the defense team. The trial is entering its sixth week of testimony in the high-profile trial, which could result in the death penalty for Gosnell.
    Abortion Doctor Kermit Gosnell Condemned by Pro-Abortion Rights Groups - ABC News
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Oh, the monsters among us!

    My 26 year old cousin isn't an independent living creature, either. He's sponging off of my Aunt. Can I kill him?
    No you can't kill him because he is a sentient being with a mind plus most importantly capable of comprehending a future of some sort and has put direct value on his own existence

    99% of the time when the unborn are killed they have none of the characteristics I told you. Until something is part of our social fabric which your 26 year old cousin obviously is part of human typically don't care for it.

    Think why for example non human animals are giving more consideration most of the time then the unborn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Hanging your hat entirely on the CURRENT legality of something you want to be legal and others want to make illegal does not constitute a salient argument. At all.
    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    What is "alive" and how does it apply to the fetus?

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    No it it would not since we have a federal law that would not allow that ...the Born Alive Act.
    Then what is this "extraordinary measures" meeting all about? The law is obviously being ignored, even when people are being told the law is being ignored. It seems that abortionists are very keen to maintain their good reputation.

    Dr. Tiller was one of 5 doctors who performed late term abortions at that time.
    Those "late term abortions" involved murdering babies after they were born. They 'snipped" the babies necks.

    Perhaps Dr.Gosnell and has staff had meetings regarding "extraordinary measures" also. That may be his defense for killing these babies, if there is such a defense.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The taking of an innocent human life is generally referred to as murder, although some prefer euphemisms.
    Actually killing a innocent human is not murder at all

    Killing a innocent person is murder which in that definition currently only includes born humans and will in the future include extraterrestrial life, human made biological life, and artificial life
    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Hanging your hat entirely on the CURRENT legality of something you want to be legal and others want to make illegal does not constitute a salient argument. At all.
    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    What is "alive" and how does it apply to the fetus?

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The taking of an innocent life is pretty much universally condemned. Or at least that used to be the case.
    Be more specific

    We take innocent life on a daily basis unless you think the world revolves only around humans of course
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    Hanging your hat entirely on the CURRENT legality of something you want to be legal and others want to make illegal does not constitute a salient argument. At all.
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    What is "alive" and how does it apply to the fetus?

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Then what is this "extraordinary measures" meeting all about? The law is obviously being ignored, even when people are being told the law is being ignored. It seems that abortionists are very keen to maintain their good reputation.



    Those "late term abortions" involved murdering babies after they were born. They 'snipped" the babies necks.

    Perhaps Dr.Gosnell and has staff had meetings regarding "extraordinary measures" also. That may be his defense for killing these babies, if there is such a defense.
    From what I have read about the tesimony in the trial I believe Kermit Gosnell not only broke the law when he preformed abortion on women with viable fetuses but that he murdered any babies that were born .

    I think he should pay with his life for that if true.

    Hopefully he gets the death sentence or they at lock him up


    The Born Alive law requires that medical help be given for any infant born alive.
    Tht means if they were a wanted baby who was born
    very early or if they survived an abortion attempt.

    Extraordinary measures means open heart surgery, surgery to put organs that are on the outside of body back inside the body , the use of infant cpap machines, etc.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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