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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    Apparently PP was under no legal obligation to report it. That said, I DO think medical practitioners should be legally obligated to report this kind of malpractice, and in some cases flat out murder.
    I haven't seen a quote to corroborate the OP, but there is something as a moral obligation.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It's not the womans body.
    Women beg to differ.

    It's an independent biological entity that is of the human species.
    As it's dependent on another independent being, this is untrue.

    It's a human life separate from the life of the mother (or father). It's an individual life.
    Biologically untrue.

    Just so that we are being factual, the fetus does process food on its own. It's provided with nutrients, even at the level of a zygote the cell performs its own metabolism. I also don't see why breathing air is relevant either. It's in an airless environment while the organs required to breathe air are developing.
    This goes in contradiction with any claim of it being "independent".

    By all rational an biological accounts the ZEF is a human life at every stage. That's just fact. Now, if we want to get to subjective definitions of "person-hood" and somehow use that to rationalize why it's acceptable to kill a human life we could go there.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You still haven't answered the question: What were they going to report?
    "that we are reporting numerous complaints of gross misconduct by our patients at another facility"?

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Women beg to differ.
    Oh, they can feel free to differ but they would still be 100% incorrect. Many women would also agree with me and biological facts. The fetus is not the woman's body.
    As it's dependent on another independent being, this is untrue.
    It's an individual. It's independent in the fact that it is its own human life and body. It's not the woman's body.
    Biologically untrue.
    Please go on ahead and prove to me, using biology, why a ZEF is not an individual human organism and why it isn't is an individual human life.
    This goes in contradiction with any claim of it being "independent".
    You were shown to be wrong. Fetal body's and the embryo have their own cell metabolism. They are their own bodies.
    Funny you didn't touch communicate. Why?
    I'll break it down. A living sperm contains the haploid genetic material from a father, the living egg the haploid genetic material from the mother. When they fuse, a diploid living embryo is created that has a human genome unique for a new human life. Human sperm + human egg fuse to = human embryo containing a human genome that is unique to that individual human life. It's obviously a living organism, and it belongs to the human species as a human life in the first stages. This is fact. To claim that the ZEF is not a human life is completely dishonest and biologically incorrect.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Oh, well, exactly, Sangha. Exactly. Hat doffed.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    "that we are reporting numerous complaints of gross misconduct by our patients at another facility"?
    What gross misconduct?
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    3 weeks ago, planned parenthood testified in florida legislature that babies can be aborted AFTER birth



    Video: Planned Parenthood Official Argues for Right to Post-Birth Abortion | The Weekly Standard

    some of our lovers of humanity have forgotten their souls
    Actually ...
    "Planned Parenthood condemns any physician who does not follow the law or endangers a woman's or a child's health, but we don't believe that politicians should be the ones who decide what constitutes the best, medically appropriate treatment in any given situation,"


    When one of lawmakers asked her what Planned Parenthood's position would be if a baby is born as a result of a botched abortion.
    She said "We believe that any decision that's made should be left up to the woman, her family and the physician,"

    That does NOT mean the mom can kill the baby... It only means the mother,and her family along with the doctor can decide if extraordinary measures should be done to save the baby's life.


    Since the partial birth abortion ban there will never be a baby that will survive a legal abortion since the fetus is dead and in pieces before it is removed from the womb.

    Even so the Born Alive law is still on the books.

    From Wiki:
    The Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of 2002 ("BAIPA" Pub.L. 107–207, 116 Stat. 926, enacted August 5, 2002, 1 U.S.C. 8) is an Act of Congress. It extends legal protection to an infant born alive after a failed attempt at induced abortion. It was signed by President George W. Bush, a Republican.
    Born-Alive Infants Protection Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Apparently either the Florida legislators did not know about the 'Born Alive" act or they did not know that because of the partial birth abortion ban there would be no infant to save after a legal abortion , or they were just hoping to get in the news so pro life people would vote for them the next time they ran for office.
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    Planned Parenthood cilinics do NOT perform late term abortions in Florida or any other state.

    Perhaps the ultimate irony of the right-wing’s imagined controversy is that —
    even in states where it’s not against the law to perform late-term induced abortions — Planned Parenthood clinics don’t provide that type of service. Many Planned Parenthood affiliates only perform abortions in the first trimester of pregnancy, when women can either take a pill or have a less-invasive surgical procedure.
    How The Right Wing Manufactured A Fake Controversy Over Planned Parenthood's 'Infanticide' | ThinkProgress
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It's not the womans body. It's an independent biological entity that is of the human species. It's a human life separate from the life of the mother (or father). It's an individual life.

    Just so that we are being factual, the fetus does process food on its own. It's provided with nutrients, even at the level of a zygote the cell performs its own metabolism. I also don't see why breathing air is relevant either. It's in an airless environment while the organs required to breathe air are developing.

    By all rational an biological accounts the ZEF is a human life at every stage. That's just fact. Now, if we want to get to subjective definitions of "person-hood" and somehow use that to rationalize why it's acceptable to kill a human life we could go there.
    I disagree.

    Before viability the embryo or early fetus is completely dependent on the pregnant woman.
    It is not only dependent on the woman but it will not survive apart from the woman ...it cannot become a separate entity because it is the woman's life functions not its own that allows it to continue to delvelope toward viability.

    It is using her life's forces and her body.
    Until it becomes viable it cannot survive outside her body.
    If she dies it will not survive even if doctors quickly remove it and give it artificial aid.
    A non viable fetus is not separate entity with its own life it cannot live apart from her.
    It depends completely on the bio mom.

    Once a fetus is viable if the pregnant woman dies doctors can quickly remove the viable infant and it has a good chance of living even without the bio mom.


    A nurse, a father, a grandparent, an adoptive parent , or another care taker can care for and fed the infant.
    Last edited by minnie616; 04-25-13 at 08:24 AM.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Once again, you've done a 180
    Your arguments are so inane that even you wont stick by them
    Did you not say that morals are "subjective" and that the law shouldn't enforce morals?

    Yes or no??

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Most of the world agrees that sex with children is wrong. That doesn't make it objectively true, just as believing that the world was flat didn't mean that was objectively true.
    So if Gosnell had sex with these babies before he murdered them you wouldn't find that objectively wrong?

    I suppose that once morals are out of the way, subjective or objective, anything becomes possible.

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