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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

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    "...Planned Parenthood Southeast Pennsylvania president and CEO Dayle Steinberg admitted this week at a fundraiser that the abortion business knew of the problems at Gosnell’s Philadelphia abortion facility.

    Apparently Planned Parenthood did not report it to the state health department or other state or local officials who could have done something about it. Instead, it appears the abortion giant left it up to women Gosnell injured or traumatized to make public officials aware of his House of Horrors." Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors | Dr. Kermit Gosnell | Fox Nation
    and then later in the article those "problems" where women who had complaints?
    they had nothgin to report but hearsay

    they did not factually know exactly what was going on

    if you or anybody can prove otherwise then im on board.

    so far i see no reason for PP to report anything since they didnt have anything to report.

    ive told doctors how i didnt like other doctors and how i thought they sucked etc, even won that i totally thought did something completely wrong and another doctor agreed that, wondering those doctors where reported.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's what's taking the life of an innocent victim is usually called.
    No, murder is the illegal killing of a person. A ZEF is not a person, so it is not illegal to kill it. Therefore, it is not murder.

    As far as what people call "murder", I'm well aware that there are people dishonest enough to claim that abortion is murder.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

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    Again, if someone disputes what Steinberg is quoted as saying, please provide the info. I hope we can all agree that the truth is in service to any POV.

    Insofar as I am aware, Steinberg hasn't denied saying what is quoted. And the issue is whether abortion providers across several states saw Gosnell as a "niche player" (see linked Wall Street Journal article) and remained silent when baseline ethics required them to report what they knew. Steinberg acknowledged that PP knew there was a problem and urged women to report.

    Why didn't other healthcare providers report Gosnell? We're talking about decades of abuse. They could've done so anonymously, you know. Pennsylvania does have a way to anonymously report, but the catch is that it has to be at your own healthcare facility.

    However, as WSJ noted, Gosnell was finally busted not because of healthcare but, rather, because of narcotics. You can narc in PA, and you can also anonymously report hazmat to OSHA and the EPA.

    http://patientsafetyauthority.org/Ne...ous_2007_3.pdf

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    Etc.
    Steingberg is not quoted as saying that he or anyone at PP knew that Gosnell was murdering born children.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Legally and for now this is true.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Again, if someone disputes what Steinberg is quoted as saying, please provide the info. I hope we can all agree that the truth is in service to any POV.

    Insofar as I am aware, Steinberg hasn't denied saying what is quoted. And the issue is whether abortion providers across several states saw Gosnell as a "niche player" (see linked Wall Street Journal article) and remained silent when baseline ethics required them to report what they knew. Steinberg acknowledged that PP knew there was a problem and urged women to report.

    Why didn't other healthcare providers report Gosnell? We're talking about decades of abuse. They could've done so anonymously, you know. Pennsylvania does have a way to anonymously report, but the catch is that it has to be at your own healthcare facility.

    However, as WSJ noted, Gosnell was finally busted not because of healthcare but, rather, because of narcotics. You can narc in PA, and you can also anonymously report hazmat to OSHA and the EPA.

    http://patientsafetyauthority.org/Ne...ous_2007_3.pdf

    Report Spills and Environmental Violations | US EPA

    Etc.
    no one is disputing what he said we are taking it for exactly what he said instead of speculating and guessing.

    he knew of problems because of some complaints form woman, thats it. so PP told those woman to file complaints because they were the ones with the accusations. PP knew of nothing but that of woman complaints.
    are those "facts"?
    does than mean he knew exactly what factually was going on?

    so far with all the sources the answer is absolute not

    so you have anything that proves otherwise

    are you stating that PP factually knew that gosell was violating the law? if you are id love to see the proof of that because then PP would be in hot water and they should be.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Legally and for now this is true.
    nope its not, the thread title is not true because its all inclusive

    all the links said he was aware of complaints that some woman had, anything else is a guess.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Legally and for now this is true.
    No, even if RvW is overturned, the abortions being performed now will never be considered murder under the law because the definition of murder requires that it be illegal. Currently abortions are legal, so they will never be murder. Only abortions performed *after* RvW is overturned will be considered murder, under the law.

    IOW, it is a lie to call these abortions murder. They aren't and will never be murder.
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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, murder is the illegal killing of a person. A ZEF is not a person, so it is not illegal to kill it. Therefore, it is not murder.

    As far as what people call "murder", I'm well aware that there are people dishonest enough to claim that abortion is murder.
    It's a living human. It is the taking of an innocent human life.

    Those are the facts.

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

    the definition of murder requires that it be illegal
    ignorance exceeded only by arrogance

    but greater than these is hate

    Abrams was 17 when she went to the Women’s Medical Society for a late-term abortion on July, 12, 2008. Earlier in the trial, Abrams testified that she was 29 weeks (slightly more than 7 months) pregnant and that the abortion sent her to the hospital for two weeks with complications, including a blood clot in her heart. Abortions after 24 weeks are illegal in Pennsylvania.
    Gosnell Trial Witness: Baby Abortion Survivor Was 'Swimming' in Toilet 'Trying to Get Out' | CNS News

    if the baby is not alive, why slit its neck

    baby boy b | CNS News

    why won't obama come out against scissors?

    President Obama on Gosnell abortion trial - Video on TODAY.com

    war on women, anyone?

    shame

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    Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's a living human. It is the taking of an innocent human life.

    Those are the facts.
    That's not murder.

    That's the fact that counts
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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